Posted by AZSneed (anonymous) on September 25, 2009 at 7:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I hope he gets the maximum time in prison, and that he learns his lesson, if not, when he gets out it will start again.

Posted by travlr423 (anonymous) on September 25, 2009 at 8:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Now either this story is not being reported accurately and in its entirety or this is the most ridiculous article/statement i have ever read or heard.
It is believed that Wells has been hiding out in the house for three days. but he had a miserable time on the run. doesn't sound like he was running miserably, it sounds like he was resting comfortably in someones home that incidentally committed no crime in harboring him for three days until his whereabouts was determined. Now if he had killed the clerk at the Exxon store last night wonder if the people who was "aiding and abetting " him would have felt any responsibility.

Evidence from several robberies this summer was at the home. Stilwell further believes that Wells stayed in the area because of its familiarity and the assistance he was receiving. this was where all his people were and his ability to hide.
Now it sure sounds like somebody should be charged with something to me. sure sounds like "aiding and abetting" to me.
The Chief plainly admits there was an attempt by some other party or parties to assist this guy every step of the way from housing evidence of several prior crimes to housing an armed robber. but yet at least thus far they have not participated in any crime that warrants prosecution.
Now either some details have been left out of this statement or some people are apparently exempt from prosecution of the Law.
or maybe I'm just not understanding what i thought i read 3 times.

Posted by chiltoncopeach (anonymous) on September 25, 2009 at 9:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Of course they have left out the true details of the story...What is so strange about what they have said, is the tip to the investigator. The Sheriff's office lets him go and mysteriously receives a tip to get him back...

Well one thing is true here; "he should have NEVER been mysteriously released from jail." Special Thanks to Sheriff Kevin Davis for letting the public know right away that he NEVER received the mandate.

"An apparent mix-up in paperwork allowed the teenager to be let out of prison Sept. 8 despite a court order requiring him to stay there."

This says he was let out "despite" a court order requiring him to stay there, so the Sheriff's office DID receive the court order.

Despite- 1 : the feeling or attitude of despising : contempt
2 : malice, spite
3 a : an act showing contempt or defiance

So what really happened Kevin Davis?

Posted by PhilBurnette (anonymous) on September 25, 2009 at 10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

chiltoncopeach...do you truly not understand what was said? The order was made, went to the clerks' office, and then was NOT relayed to the Sheriff's Department. Hence, Wells was released DESPITE an order to the contrary.

QUOTE: "Somehow the court order wasn’t communicated clearly between the circuit clerk’s office and the Chilton County Jail. On Thursday, Circuit Clerk Glenn McGriff said the mistake was a “breakdown in communication.” Sheriff Kevin Davis said the jail never received papers to keep him locked up." UNQUOTE

The S/O can not act upon orders they do not receive.

Posted by travlr423 (anonymous) on September 25, 2009 at 10:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

chiltonpeach,
I think what actually happened there was a order for bond revocation but it was apparently mishandled at the clerks office not actually reaching the sheriff's Dept. until the guy had already been released.
But you would think that the sheriffs office might have been to some degree suspicious upon processing his release noting the severity of his charges, but then i dont know how much his bond amount was to be released or exactly what they are looking at as far as documents when they are processing the release of a prisoner.
One would think that that kind of information would share a link through the computer system between the clerks office and the jail/sheriffs office that in such circumstances they would be able to release with more caution of error.
But who really knows who is to blame regardless of the office of the clerk taking the blame because there is so much corruption in this county.

Posted by travlr423 (anonymous) on September 25, 2009 at 10:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

well peach,
Phil apparently types faster than i do. but anyhow i guess your question was answered. Now whether that's the real truth i dont know and at this point i guess no one really cares as long as this guy is off the streets.

Posted by mrjones0913 (anonymous) on September 25, 2009 at 11:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am very thankful to Chilton County for getting this disturbed child off of the streets. No matter what happened now we are all safe including him.

You know we all run our mouths on how he shoud get max sentence and all. I remember when I was his age and up to age 23 when I STARTED to grow up. This boy is still a child and I am guessing probably messed up on drugs. This child needs help, and jail may give hime some but it wont get to the root of the problem.

I do not know how his upbringing was or what is to blame but we ALL deserve another chance.

Chilton County think about this, WWJD?

We all need to reexamine our lives and stop being a judge but instead be a witness. Thanks once again for rescuing this child and protecting our county.

Posted by soundsgood (anonymous) on September 25, 2009 at 11:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

travlr423 said
"But who really knows who is to blame regardless of the office of the clerk taking the blame because there is so much corruption in this county."
If this is so do you have proof? If you have proof why have not shared it with state officials?
If you don’t have proof why are you making accusations that you cannot back up?
I know Mr. McGriff and am pretty sure that he is not corrupt and would challenge you to prove it.
Glenn is a stand up guy and will take blame that is his obviously by what he said in the article.
But I am still wondering where the proof is that our local officials are corrupt.

Posted by travlr423 (anonymous) on September 26, 2009 at 12:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

soundsgood,
If you were capable of understanding what you read you would clearly be able to understand that i was suggesting that McGriff may be taking the blame for someones else's failure. And if you would bother to read my earlier comments on at least one or more occasions i defended the good name of Mr. McGriff. but since you do not have the ability of understanding what you have just read let me say it as plain as i can " WHO KNOWS WHO IS TO REALLY BLAME JUST BECAUSE GLENN MCGRIFF IS TAKING THE BLAME DOES NOT MEAN HE IS THE GUILTY PARTY. If something was to go wrong his career would be most likely to be less harmed than some of the other elected officials at the polls making it a much better scenario for him to accept the blame. And for your information some of the claims i have made about certain officials in this county or people who maybe employed in law enforcement yes i have breathing proof and other claims are documented and public information but you would be wasting your time because its pretty evident that you cannot even understand a short paragraphed comment/statement. And i dont make claims i cannot back up. So if i have made a claim that offends you and you demand some more insight feel free to ask.

Posted by holleratya (anonymous) on September 26, 2009 at 12:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Doesn't really matter to me who's fault the mix up is at this point only that they got him locked up and that they keep him that way. My question is isnt it unlawful to receive stolen property. These people not only let me hide out in their home for three days they have in their possession stolen property from several of this summers robberies. Wonder if there was any of my stuff there? HUM

Posted by ATC1962 (anonymous) on September 26, 2009 at 6:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

He is back in custody. This is good news. Simple observations. When an arrest is made and 60 days later the felon returns to jail for the same type of charge. This is your sign. While it is a certain, the deputies do not know all of the laws, the entire system should know some basics. A simple flip chart hanging on the wall of the jail. Page one. Have we seen this person in our jail before? If so go to page two. When and why was this person in jail, if so go to page three. Is person currently on bond for the same type of crime, if so go to page four. STOP, is it possible someone has overlooked something or we do not have paper work to stop release? Contact the clerks office to verify. Some up training would be beneficial to everyone. Also, when arrested isn't there a system to know if there are outstanding warrants or holds on an individual? And, the bailbondsmen also know. I appreciate the fact Glenn who is a very honest person, stepped up and took the blame. However, this should not be a single blame acceptance. A system at whole is to blame. All need to be retrained. Surely when he was released on bond the second time, some one had the thought or perception, I cannot beleive we are releasing this kid again. All I could offer would be, if the thought crossed someones mind, it would have helped if they would have taken a moment and stopped to question the process. The ounce of prevention theory. I doubt any official would condemn someone for raising a red flag when it came to a criminal being released. Are we to believe that no one, commented, gossiped, discussed the fact he was back in jail? Now is the time to work toward a method, something as simple as the flip chart training tool. Just as an example of how easy it could be ... does anyone remember when store owners would post a list of those who wrote bad checks on the wall? This was a training tool to warn employees not to take another check from the individual. Same type of method. Just a thought.

Posted by jsfpilot2b (anonymous) on September 26, 2009 at 7:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

My brother is a police officer in Jefferson County and worked for the county jail there for several years. The same thing has happened there on more than one occasion.
I guess if there were a loss of life involved there would then be more personal accountability and responsibility.

Posted by Harley2009 (anonymous) on September 26, 2009 at 7:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Right On Kwgraves, he will return to the streets. But for now (Another One Bites the Dust !!! Another One Bites the Dust).

Posted by Tgrguy1 (anonymous) on September 26, 2009 at 7:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

All this belly achin' has got to stop. They caught the guy that's what matters. DRAMA DRAMA DRAMA, thats all you people have got to do, how about some intelligent comments for once, it would be nice to see for a change. Thanks to the CPD, Sheriffs office and all those who helped in this arrest.

Posted by travlr423 (anonymous) on September 26, 2009 at 8:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Tgrguy,
If you want intelligent comments you just had the floor, you had a leading opportunity. you will find there are not many intelligent comments made by here, and if they were it would not be much fun and the threads would be very short lived. Although when the CA gets through deleting they sometimes still wind up a lot shorter.

Posted by travlr423 (anonymous) on September 26, 2009 at 8:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"made by here" see what i mean tgrguy

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on September 26, 2009 at 9:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

tgrguy1: "All this belly achin' has got to stop. They caught the guy that's what matters." No, what matters is that this thug had ALREADY been caught and then RELEASED! THAT"S what matters. If this miserable piece of scum had killed my daughter, or your loved one, while out robbing and creating other mischief I'd be willing to bet that you'd think that MORE belly achin' would be in order. What matters at this point is finding out exactly how this "mistake in communication" happened and what has been done to keep it from ever happening again. Maybe you don't expect much out of our elected PUBLIC SERVANTS, but I sure do. A mistake is when you burn your toast, wrongly letting this fool out of jail was malfeasance and the taxpayers and voters deserve MUCH better than this.

Posted by countywatch (anonymous) on September 26, 2009 at 9:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Just want to say thanks to the Clanton Police Department, Sheriffs Department and Jemison Police Department. Thanks for all that you do to make this a better County to live in. People, try living in Birmingham or Montgomery and you will be thankful for the County we live in. Again THANK YOU!!

Posted by holleratya (anonymous) on September 26, 2009 at 9:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Two questions for officer Stillwell, Is it ok to have items from several of this summers robberies in your home? Is it ok to harbor a fugitive for three days in your home?

Posted by gonefishen (anonymous) on September 26, 2009 at 11:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Pucker up buttercup and get ready for those most dreaded words for a skinny little boy in big boy jail - " You sure do have a pretty mouth".

Posted by mrjones0913 (anonymous) on September 26, 2009 at 1:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You know we do not know all of the ciircumstances behins this boys friends harboring a fugitive. I am gonna be the first to say I know people who would so the same for me. We are not the judges here we are observing the world and the actions of the individuals in it. You know if you ran a stop light and killed someone (BY ACCIDENT) someone would be telling you you were reckless and deserve life.This is a boy, if any of you have a teenager tell me you dn't pray your son will not turn out like this. Parents are not always responsible for a boy turning into such a criminal. Maybe he got caught up with drugs, or maybe the wrong girl. Life is a story that has many different endings in this case it was no fairy tale.

To the police officers and others who helped in this case. You do not need to answer to us. Things happen and no matter what the bottom line is you got him off the streets. I do agree with KWGraves in that he needs jail and counseling. The good old tail whipping well I believe that it may be to late that was something he probably needed before. Now he is living on a prayer and I pray that he will find true forgiveness. As I know that I have done MANY things wrong and if it were not for forgiveness who knows where I would be today.

Let us as a county at least pray for this boy and others like him. As he was walking down the road and somewhere took the wrong turn. Tell me you have never made a left instead of a right.

Now he is at a dead end and no matter the outcome still needs prayer.........

Posted by harley (anonymous) on September 26, 2009 at 5:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

mrjones0913

you my friend are the intelligent one here prayer is very much needed.

Posted by travlr423 (anonymous) on September 26, 2009 at 5:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

mrjones,
while you do seem like a pretty good guy with compassion. so are many of us. but parts of your statement just makes no sense and has very little to do with your opening statement on harboring a fugitive. Bottom line is it does not matter what the reason may be it is against the law. I dont care if these people are 300yrs. old and have to hang their self on a nail to stand up. They broke the law. Now I'm not sure of the relationship between these parties and the young man and can not honestly say that i would have not committed the same crime, but that still dont take away the fact that the law was broken. regardless of why we break the law does not make it any less the law and why should some be held to the law and others be exempt.

And as far as the Office of the Sheriff answering to the people I also disagree with you there, he did not put him self in that Office the people put him there and unless he can satisfy the peoples expectations right or wrong they will also be the ones to put him out of that same office.

And for your theory on running the stop sign. If you run a stop sign even if its on accident and you kill someone. you still broke the law when you ran the stop sign and because you broke the law it cost someone their life. Tell the Law, Insurance company and the surviving family you accidentally broke a law that cost someone their life and see how much sympathy it carries.

Posted by donnyo (anonymous) on September 26, 2009 at 10:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow...not a whole lot of Christians here.

"He who is without sin, let him cast the first stone", I believe is approximately how the line reads.

I guess you people who are ripping Sheriff Davis and the sheriff's department have never made a mistake in your life.

Must be awesome to be so perfect.
How do you stand it?

Posted by mrjones0913 (anonymous) on September 26, 2009 at 11:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

First off I am a compassionate WOMAN. My name is Regina. I have been through more than you can ever even imagine. I have broken many laws and yes I paid the price both to the courts and to myself.

This boy deserves a chance. I do not know him or why he did it but it is idots like some whom speak here today whom ruin our society. You think that jail is the magic key well it is not. It is a free ride, and no lessons learned. It is hating the society and yourself and NEVER bettering yourself.

To tell you all the truth I have been a stripper and more. I was really messed up, though never on drugs I still went down the wrong road. Thanks to my wonderful husband Mike whom led me to the Lord and helped me back to the right road I am a nurse now helping people. I help people nomatter what road they are going down or returning from because I do care.

I just hate when people are arrogant and pretand like they are perfect. I hate when people think that everything that happens they need to answer to the people. Yes the people vote on the elected officials and need to be aware of whats happening. What about our judges WHO WE ELECT. You should be down their throat for letting MANY child abusers go with 2 months of jail, I know of one he is my EX-HUSBAND.

You want to talk about a crime and it was still committed. Well we all commit some type of crime. Whether you admit it or not is your problem. I AM NOT PERFECT and will never claim to be. You know how I look at this is yes those people harboured a fugitive, but thank God he is captured and it is done. Why do we need to use tax payers dollars on more lengthy court cost when we could use the taxpayers dollars on putting REAL CRIMINALS like the ones who could hurt our kids behnd bars and ino rahabilitative programs.

BY THE WAY I AM A TAXPAYER, I AM A CITIZEN AND I DID VOTE.

So thanks for the vote of compassion, but I still say is it is one caring heart to another. Try to look into mirror and if you still see perfect put your nose down.......

Posted by gonefishen (anonymous) on September 26, 2009 at 11:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Typical thumper, while your writing quotes everyone must dodge the stones that you are casting.

Posted by mrjones0913 (anonymous) on September 26, 2009 at 11:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Nobody here is dodging or throwing stones, I suggest WE ALL GROW UP. That is not a quote it is a piece of advice....

Posted by TNseger (anonymous) on September 27, 2009 at 6:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This post board is like so many others I read ... people sitting behind a keyboard passing judgment on others.

You can "suppose" all day long but the truth is, no one has responsibility for what this criminal does but the criminal himself.

Yes, a regrettable mistake occurred ... we all know that. I am more interested in learning what steps are being taken to make sure it does not happen again ... what steps are being taken to improve communication between the judge, the clerk of courts and the sheriff's department and jail staff.

A simple fax from the clerk's office to the jail may have helped, followed up by the legal document. Fax is immediate. Document verifies.

If the jail has a question, they pick up the phone and verify. An extra step and minute of caution would have saved a lot of people anguish and shame.

Unless you want to hang the person or persons responsible for the mistake, let's fix it. Make sure it does not happen again.

Posted by mrjones0913 (anonymous) on September 27, 2009 at 8:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Well said TNseger and thank you.

Posted by travlr423 (anonymous) on September 27, 2009 at 9:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

mrjones,
Who said this guy does not deserve a chance, everybody deserves a chance and you are correct JAIL is not the answer it is an alternative. Laws were not designed for the mere purpose of throwing everyone in jail but more to protect people like me and you and our children from those who do not wish us well. And it is a very sad situation that this young man has gotten him self in to. I dont think anyone here desires for this young man to be thrown away and forgotten, but what ever is going on in this kids mind is very dangerous to himself and everyone in his path.

And as far as our Judges go, i have seen them handle some cases before them with fairness and responsibility, but far the most part i have seen them completely disregard the law and make a mockery out of the very thing they were elected to serve. I have been before Judge Hardesty on a case where she made remarks before the case was even heard where she accused me of the possibility of kidnapping and even murder just because the alleged victim chose not to show up for the preliminary hearing which was nothing less than showing prejudice and drawing unwarranted conclusions to my character as a person. My guilt was already determined by her when i approached the bench. I did not even receive the benefit of a doubt from her. I knew i stood there guilty in her mind and my past character was not even considered.
I witnessed Judge Reynolds seize every possession an elderly couple owned and under his order they were placed in a nursing home and all their possessions sold at auction. I took care of these people for a few years and they were good people. The old man would often make one simple request of me and that was to keep him at home and not let him be placed in a nursing home to die. He would say this is my home and this is where i want to die. Now as these people attended the same Church as Mr. Reynolds they conveyed to me more than once the suggestion of friendship and i personally witnessed him and another church member come to this home and do some yard work on one or more occasions that in its self would suggest that a friendship existed, and I personally would think in a court setting that such a relationship or suggested relationship would excuse him from presiding over such matters.
And as someone else suggested in another thread i believe, I surely wish some other qualified citizens and attorneys would step up to fill positions that assure peoples rights are protected not only from public threat but also from those who feel they have no responsibility to uphold the law in its prescribed form.
It is just as wrong for any official or anyone who commits to serve the public whether its on the bench or behind a badge to disregard the Laws and procedures that insure the rights of the people whether those rights protect the innocent or punish the unjust.

Posted by mrjones0913 (anonymous) on September 27, 2009 at 9:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

travlr423 I am glad you understand. This boy is dangerous and that is why he needs help. He has commited a cluster of crimes and needs to be rehabilitated and taught about life.

Finally I am glad someone understand about our judges. I have on several occasions heard Judge Hardesty lay guilt down before the facts were layed out, and the same for other judges. Chilton County is one of the only counties where it is this bad, yet she is still i office and the other UNFAIR judges are also. Judge Fuller was in charge of my husbands child custody case and he did not even get to go in front of the judge they took custody from mom and dad and gave it to grandma. That is what is ruining our society. This is what raises criminals, no parenting. It is not my husbands fault that he can not raise his kids it is the judges.

The gaurdian ad litem said if we moved out of the neighborhood we lived in (black people lived there) than we could get the kids. Well at the time we lived at Peachtree apartments and had no problem with it. So we moved. Than the issue was I had 4 kids, so because of that we did not get the kids.

But I would like thank the courts for ruining the kids lives. My 2 step children may have turned out better but now they are mentally about 5 years behind their age group and academically struggling. After all my 60 year old mother in all can barely even read to help with homework, My four boys well I may have my hands full but they are mentally on track and all honor roll children. Yeah they get in minor trouble here and there but they know right and wrong. So to our judges thanks for not being fair, you only ruined two more children.

Maybe it will be one these children who we write about in a few years. Than let us reflect on the decision the judges made without facts that ruined their lives.

Now we all talk about things that are wrong, THAT IS WRONG. These judges are suppose to uphold the law and make fair decisions. Nonbiased individuals to serve us, in the long run. They are scamming us, they are the ones breaking the law.

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on September 27, 2009 at 9:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This fool has already had several chances just this summer to get his act together and guess what, he just kept right on with his evil ways. He's already proven what he's made of, and it's gotten him where he is now. Maybe in thirty or forty years when he gets out of prison he'll be straightened out a little, but I doubt it. At least we'll be safe from him for a while, unless there's another "communication" problem.

donnyo: I suppose that since you seem to think of yourself as a super-Christian that it's OK for YOU to make such a judgement. You might need to preach to yourself a while, and then realize that some things don't require a judgement call, they are what they are.

Posted by PhilBurnette (anonymous) on September 27, 2009 at 10:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hmmm...any wagers on which two comments will be the first ones "Removed by Staff"?

Posted by redneckpeaches (anonymous) on September 27, 2009 at 11:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

An idot is someone who just don't know any better. A fool knows better and does it anyway.
This "idot" got a "third" chance (by mistake) and the "fool" knew better and did it again anyway.
How many chances are in a "third" chance? Sorry all you thumpers, now is the time to pay the debt he ran up.
Pray for him though, because he really seems to need it.

Posted by travlr423 (anonymous) on September 27, 2009 at 12:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Phil,
I really dont care if they delete my comments or not. You can delete truths and facts all day long but that does not mean they dont exist.
And i would rather be disliked for my honesty than to be embraced by a serpent who pretended to be my friend.
And these comments are not likely to change anyone's personal opinion by deleting them nor by leaving them. So let them do what they want.

Posted by mrjones0913 (anonymous) on September 27, 2009 at 5:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

KW your mocking is what makes a mokery of our county. You yourself being former Law Enforcement know how backwards this county is. In Chilton County it is not what you have or have not done it is who you know or what you know on who you know. I have saw this through my own eyes for years(Yes this is Mike writting). The court system here is known throught the state as being hard to deal with if you are not in the Chilton County Circle. When I was fighting for custodey of my kids I would tell attorneys Chilton County and they would actually either raise the retainer or tell me no thanks. The judical system in this county is broken and yes we will try to get it fixed with FAIR and HONEST judges who judge from the law books not the roledex.

Posted by mrjones0913 (anonymous) on September 27, 2009 at 5:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

November writer, you say he has many chances. A chance is not letting this boy onto the streets. There are rehabilitative programs to help people. You do not just throw the drunks a beer you give them programs and hope they steer the righ way. You give them real help.

I think you are an uncompassionate person. You think that this boy has had the help he needs, he did not. Maybe he needs a program to get him off drugs, or a medication, or counseling. The bottom line is he needs help, and I hope he gets the help he needs and not by an uncompassionate individual.

BTW, This is Regina.....

Have a good night and KW I do think our judges are the participants.

Posted by ATC1962 (anonymous) on September 27, 2009 at 7:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I struggle with the word uncompassionate. If this person was 38 years old and had robbed so many places and one of the last ones at gunpoint ... where would the compassion then be? At the age of 18, one knows right from wrong. The same as if the individual was 38. When you are old enough to determine right from wrong, you are accountable for your actions. There has been plenty of compassion for his victims. Prayers were answered, no one was serioiusly injured. In order to be rehabillitated, you must first realize you have a problem. There are times when compassion crosses the line to enable the individual to continue. Those who allowed him to stay in their home knowing he commited crimes were not only compassionate, they enabled him. To rehabillitate, you offer the tools to correct the problem, it is then up to the individual to take the offering of assistance and make the change. I do not think at the age of 18, a pat on the back is what he needs. Obviously he has problems in which need to be addressed. The opportunity is present for him to change and no one can make the decision for him. Compassion at this point needs to be someone to look him straight in the eye and with honesty say ... you have one of two choices, change your ways or live the rest of your adult life in jail.

Posted by mrjones0913 (anonymous) on September 27, 2009 at 8:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

KW we both agree with you that our system in the BIG PEACH is a racket.

As for 18 and know right from wrong. We can both remember things we did at 18 and really did not understand the consequences. Sometimes a kid may not realize the real world has to offer, good and bad until that first uh oh.....

Sometimes you have to see past yourself to see the truth.

Posted by mrjones0913 (anonymous) on September 27, 2009 at 10:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Rickey you are so right. This kid does need help. It may help and there is always a chance it may never help. Alot of individuals are stuck in the life of crime. It can be dangerous to us all. I just pray that he gets straight he is so young and he had a life ahead of him.

Sometimes we make choices, and we have to live with the consequences. If we do not like something about our lives it is up to us to change it. For nobody else except the Lord is gonna steer the car, and we have a choice in which direction we turn. Please pray this young man turns around before its really to late.......

KW by the way good one, maybe it was on participants lets investigate.

Posted by Tgrguy1 (anonymous) on September 28, 2009 at 7:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Look at the Drama you douchers stirred up after my one little comment. Instead of talking intelligently you decided to bash me, instead of stating facts. This backs up my initial comment.

Posted by RI_comment (anonymous) on September 28, 2009 at 7:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

whats a doucher?

Posted by SECorBust (anonymous) on September 28, 2009 at 8:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I think this is the kid that stole from me almost 2 years ago. There was a rash of break ins in the verbena community then and I had nothing to go on and no insurance to cover the loss.

This guy has not and will not learn, he has picked up a gun and used it to get what he wanted. He is no longer a boy. He was a hunted man and at the same time he was stealing cash registers. Geez, come on. He is a bold and brazen hardened criminal. He has probably stolen hundreds of thousands of dollars of stuff. He acts like it's his job to go around stealing stuff like the main character on the Grand Theft Auto video game.

I want my property back and I want this kid locked up for 10 years minimum. At least keep the moron crooks locked up geez. You forgiving "Give him another chance" whinies need to step back. There are a lot of us out here that manage to keep our individual freedoms from infringing on others individual freedoms everyday of the year. There's welfare, there are jobs for an 18 year old male everywhere, there WERE friends or family that would take care of this guy, yet he's out there stealing; robbing selfishly to support his habits and lifestyle. It was only a matter of time before he resorted to murder for self preservation. How could you embarass your family name like that? If I ever caught a crook like him in my house...- no regrets.

Posted by southernpride (anonymous) on September 28, 2009 at 9:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Okay Ihave to put in my 2 cents worth.

You are judged by what you judge. Meaning if you hold someone up to a certain standard you will also be held to that standard.

The devil has tircked people into thinking you sin if you judge someone. If you don't judge someone how will you know to separate yourself from drunks, whores, liars, & etc as the Bible directs you to.

Making an observation about someones behavior is not judgement.

I agree with the second and third comments posted here. This boy as he has been called has been doing very manly, if you can call it that, things and should be punished aaccordingly. If it was up to me he would be lashed on the courthouse steps. As it is often been said, if the body is made to uncomfortable, the devil will flee it.

I know some will say I am being cruel as usual. Maybe so, but that is still my opinion.

I agree that varied opinons make a better stew as it were.

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on September 28, 2009 at 9:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

mrjones0913: You are ABSOLUTELT RIGHT about one thing. I am definitely "uncompasionate". I have NO sympathy for anybody who robs and pillages and otherwise terroizes hard working people who are only trying to make a honest living. THEY are trying to WORK for a living and this piece of scum can't even spell WORK, much less engage in it. You're dadgum right that I'm "uncompassionate". We don't owe him anything, not "help", not councelling, not rehabilitation, not anything. Our public SERVANTS owe US something, though. They owe it to US to keep this fine up-standing young man IN JAIL where he can't do us anymore harm. He had the choice to make a honest living like most of the rest of us, or lead a useless life of crime and he chose the crime route. After he was caught the FIRST time he had an opportunity to realize the error of his ways and apparently he thought he had it right, so now I hope he gets to spend at least most of the rest of his life in prison. That's the extent of my compassion for him.

Posted by bama1870 (anonymous) on September 28, 2009 at 11:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Right on November... Tell it like it is!

Posted by Harley2009 (anonymous) on September 28, 2009 at 12:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Im with both of you November and Southernpride. you guys look at things the honest man looks at it. WELL SAID.
Thanks

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on September 28, 2009 at 12:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Tgrguy1: You use the word "douchers" and then lecture the rest of us about not "talking intelligently"? That's rich!

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on September 28, 2009 at 1:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Rickey: Apparently you only half-read these posts. I said that our public SERVANTS owe US, as in ALL of us, something. Not once did I say "Me, me, me". If this "troubled young man" gets to spend the next several decades confined in such a way as to not be able to put the the rest of US, notice again I said US, in danger, then WE will have gotten what we deserve. HE is WAAAYYYY down on my priority list when it comes to getting help. I'm much more concerned with helping honest people be able to work and make a living without the fear of being robbed, or even killed, by scum like this "young man" that you are so concerned with. Bed wetters and other liberals like you are always quick to offer "compassion" and "help" to criminals, but slow give a care about the innocent victims of the criminals. Your first concern is to get this "young man" some help, and mine is to keep him from hurting some other innocent person or business EVER AGAIN. I think you need to re-think just who it is that is self-centered, or at least off balance.

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on September 28, 2009 at 1:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

kw: Sounds good to me.

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on September 28, 2009 at 2:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Rickey: You make the assumption that the object of your concern, i.e. "Mr." Wells, actually wants help. What he has proven that he wants is to take from those who have earned, or are earning, what they have and use it for some other illegal activity. If he wanted help, then could have gotten it from somebody. He obviously is not interested in that , he's interested in stealing, robbing, burgularizing, and otherwise terrorizing people and their community. And he has sympathizers like yourself. The innocent people have their sympathizers, too, like me and many others. By pointing out and strongly criticizing the ineptness that lead to him being able to continue on his crime crusade AFTER he was caught is one thing that I'm doing to help those folks that you don't think need any help. And, I'll continue to do that, especially as election time continues to grow closer. I might need a lot of things, but an admonition from you, of all people, to "think before I type" is definitely NOT among them.

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on September 28, 2009 at 2:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

kw: There's just no reasoning with a bed-wetting, bleeding heart liberal. You'd get more intelligence and common sense from a conversation with a pine stump.

Posted by mrjones0913 (anonymous) on September 28, 2009 at 3:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

To almost all of you. This guy does need to serve his jail time, and along with it he does need help. For those whom are talking about life in prison and the rest of your stuff well you need to join him. Everyone of us deserve a second chance and you deserve to step into their shoes and see what life is like for them.

I do not know every circumstance behind this, but I do know he is still akid, not a man. I was 18 with my first child and 20 with my second. Still at that point I was clusless. It was not until about 23 that I woke up and smelled the roses. Each of us mature at a different age.

As for KW, in many things we agree but in the comment about throwing in all those drugs well you are wrong. Just because you may not have a drug problem does not mean nobody else does not. Drugs, depressiona nd anxiety are real life diseases. You can believe what you want but as a nurse I see it staring at me every day with my patients.

I believe that we have all sat here for days now and JUDGED this man and as one person said so arrogantly our PUBLIC SERVANTS. Just cut it out. First off our elected officials are not SERVANTS they are people and far from perfect. You talk as if they were your slave (FYI slavery is over) so stop acting as if you were Gpd because believe me you are far from that spot.

Some of you are all about "ME" you are greedy, uncompassionate and stupid. That is one time I will judge the book by its cover. I hope that one day you will have to face the future this child is facing now. I bet he cries himself to sleep and you just whine.

I am one person who says this boy needs time and help. Without both of them he is doomed to strike again.

WAKE UP CHIILTON COUNTY AND GET YOUR PANTIES OUT OF THE WHAD IT IS IN......

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on September 28, 2009 at 3:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

mrjones0913: Let me see if I got this right; you think that if I (we) think that this common criminal should spend several years, even decades, in prison paying for what he's done, that we should also be put in prison with him? Is that what you are saying? Man, that's a really well thought out position. And by the way, what is so arrogant about people who are elected to public office by the public being called PUBLIC SERVANTS? And yes, they certainly ARE servants. They are elected to SERVE our interests, or did you not understand your Civics classes? You are completely confused about the relationship of 'servant' to 'slave' and it's meaning in this context.

For the life of me, I cannot, after re-reading all of the posts on this subject including my own, find where anybody has said anything that should make you think that we are "all about me", or "greedy". I certainly will go along with the "uncompassionate" part, at least as relates to the criminal. I have ZERO compassion for him, but I have complete compassion for his victims. I guess it's all a matter of who you think is more important, the criminal or the innocent citizenry.

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on September 28, 2009 at 4:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Rickey: I know that you are a liberal, a Catholic, and a democrat because you have said so in various threads in this forum over the last several months. The bed-wetting part is gleaned from numerous ridiculous far-left positions that you have taken on several articles where just a modicum of common sense would have been the right way to go. And, as far as whether you are a Baptist or not, well, need I remind you and everybody else of some of yur comments recentlt about Baptists and about the glee that you expressed about the burning of a local Baptist church? I'll be happy to do that for you. And, you say that since I don't personally know you that I have no idea of your intelligence level, but you have also never met me yet you say I have a "small mind"? You just keep stepping in it at every turn. I do believe that most of the time I do indeed refer to you as Rickey, however, I'd be just as happy to call you Richard, or do you prefer Dick? It doesn't really matter to me.

Posted by southernpride (anonymous) on September 28, 2009 at 4:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree with kw on letting drug addicts have their fill. I also agree with November in many of his comments. I am sorry but I did not get anyone hookeds on drugs. I was always taught and still believe if you commit the crime then you should do the time. If you get yourself in the mud, then get yourself out. Kind of reminds me of all those that think the government should take care of them. Where is the personal responsibility?

We all have our demons to deal with but that should not be an excuse for us having done whatever it is we have done.

I have no problem with anyone praying for or having compassion on this little thug. However, it is a bit absurd to think everyone should feel that way.

Some people are just no good and that is just the way it is. Is this guy one of those? As my dad once told me, you can put lipstick on a pig and dress it up as nice as you want, but you still have a pig that will get back in the mud as soon as it gets the chance.

Had the little punk robbed and killed a family member, would you be so compassionate???

Posted by mrjones0913 (anonymous) on September 28, 2009 at 5:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

First off we should not what if. This boy , not punk is in jail. He is doing his time. He has a problem wherever it lies he still needs help.

As for our public servants the way you refer to it is as if they owe you some thing. They are here to protect the best interests of the people. You are a very judgemental person, I guess your nickname is Jesus. Since you are so perfect and the judge of us all.

We all have skeletons in the closet (oops I mean everyone but November) has skeletons, dirt under their rug.

November must be a victim because he is dead set on hanging this child for these crimes. I am sorry if you are a victim, but this boy is still that a boy. He will eventually learn from his mistakes. I pray he does at least.

This is a horrible situation and a real life one at that.n Chilton County Jails sits a real life kid, with real life problems. He is crying out for help and what does this horrible county do? The same thing we always do turn around, close our eyes and run. Because after all the truth hurts doesn't it.

Posted by travlr423 (anonymous) on September 28, 2009 at 5:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

All of you seem to have some legitimate points. I am concerned for this guys spiritual side that he obviously cant see the terrible wrong in what he is doing. But i do have to agree that there is no excuse for his actions against innocent hard working people who also face great obstacles in their life. I certainly hope while this guy is locked away that he realizes that you cant punish the world and everyone in it for your problems and failures. And while i do have compassion and pray for those who suffer from addictions and illnesses such as legal and illegal substance abuse, depression and so forth i can not condone any crime against another human being to justify their problems, If i could i would have been in great trouble long ago. What i can condone and understand is someone falling on their knees and asking God to help them overcome. And i can also understand someone like Graves having a lack or zero tolerance for any of these situations because even though i dont know him personally i do know that he and his Father has suffered greatly because of some related issues within his family. And while i do have compassion on those who have problems and make bad choices, I have a greater passion for those left to carry the burden. "THE TRUE VICTIMS"`

Posted by travlr423 (anonymous) on September 28, 2009 at 5:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

sorry typo " I have a great COMPASSION for those left to carry the burden"

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on September 28, 2009 at 5:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

mrjones0913: Let me first clear up a common misperception; I am not, I repeat NOT, Jesus. I'm not perfect, never claimed to be. If it were necessary to be perfect, or even good, to comment here, then you would be SOL.

"As for our public servants the way you refer to it is as if they owe you some thing. They are here to protect the best interests of the people." They DO owe me, and YOU, and every other law abiding citizen something. You got part of it correct yourself, "they are here to protect the best interests of the people." That would NOT include erroneously releasing a menacing criminal to continue his criminal ways. What's so hard to understand about that? Do you think WE are supposed to be subserviant to them, intead of they to us? If so then you really just don't understand how our government was intended to work when it was first set up.

"We all have skeletons in the closet (oops I mean everyone but November) has skeletons, dirt under their rug." I can assure you that in my closet you WILL NOT find where I have ever robbed, burgularized, or otherwise menaced a community. I really don't think that three speeding tickets in thirty six years of driving all over the world quite compares to felony (repeated) robbery or burglary. Maybe you have that kind of "dirt under your rug", but I don't.

"He is crying out for help and what does this horrible county do? The same thing we always do turn around, close our eyes and run. Because after all the truth hurts doesn't it." What the heck does that mean? Whose eyes are closed, and who is running? And what "truth" is it that you are talking about? That just makes no sense whatsoever.

Posted by travlr423 (anonymous) on September 28, 2009 at 6:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I do have to agree with NOV. these elected officials campaigned on the promise of serving the people and their interest and i would think that for most of these officials it would also fall in line with their swearing into office, oath of office what ever the case. And its just common sense that if a politician does not serve us well he will most likely not enter a second term. that is everywhere accept Chilton County.

Posted by travlr423 (anonymous) on September 28, 2009 at 6:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Im just waiting on some more NEWS because everything has been said and covered many times over here. THE THREAD IS DEAD!

Posted by travlr423 (anonymous) on September 28, 2009 at 7:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Im more interested in this Anti-Corruption in the Legal System meeting in the park coming up. This is going to be very interesting to see who actually has the guts to show up. But if it has a big turnout it could definitely stir the pot between the Courts and the Judicial Inquiry Commission. But if people are unhappy with the way the system is operating it will take Unity from the People to change things. One individual complaint at a time is a waste of pencil and paper but in Unity there is Great Power, and only through Unity of the People will you witness a conversion of the process of how our Legal system operates. By the prescribed LAW or by ONES own Interpretation of the Law that applies to ALL ACCEPT THEM AND THEIRS.
And you can bet your sweet peaches that if any Judge that sits on any Bench were Approaching the Bench of another Judge they would demand the Laws and Court Rules and Procedures that guarantee them a fair and uncompromised Day in Court.

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on September 28, 2009 at 8:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

travlr: Apparently I missed the memo on that particular meeting, when is it and which park?

Posted by travlr423 (anonymous) on September 28, 2009 at 8:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

well im not sure which park but i think the date is Oct,10th.

Posted by travlr423 (anonymous) on September 28, 2009 at 8:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Nov.
It is "19th circuit meeting in the Park" on Oct,10th @ 1:00 pm
Issues relating to Judge Sibley G. Reynolds

http://www.courthouseforum.com/forums/th...

Posted by travlr423 (anonymous) on September 28, 2009 at 10:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It is apparent that some of our Judges in today's society have become unfamiliar with the "CANNONS OF JUDICIAL ETHICS" And their responsibility in upholding the Integrity and Independence of the Judiciary.

Public confidence in the judiciary is eroded by irresponsible or improper conduct by judges.

And the Public must demand that their voice will not fall on deaf ears concerning the Judicial Inquiry Commission and the responsibility of the Commission to the Judiciary in preserving its Integrity and Independence through the disciplinary measures necessary to insure the absence and restraint of Inappropriate behavior and misconduct by judges who discourage and erode the confidence of the People and the benefits of the judiciaries existence.

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on September 29, 2009 at 8:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

travlr423: I agree with what you said with one exception. They are not unfamiliar with the ethics standards that you referenced, they just don't care or they have let power go to their head. Just as with TOO MANY law enforcement officers, they think that it is THEY who possess power and authority instead of the OFFICE that they hold. Anyone who doesn't know the difference doesn't need to have the job. Judges are excellent examples of the need for term limits because the voters obviously aren't smart enough to limit their terms on their own. The time to clean our judiciary house is WAY overdue, especially here in the 19th circuit. Election time is coming eventually and when it gets a little closer maybe we need to have a few 'tea parties'.

Posted by travlr423 (anonymous) on September 29, 2009 at 11:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I certainly do agree with that.

Posted by CrimusK8T (anonymous) on September 29, 2009 at 11:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"And, as far as whether you are a Baptist or not, well, need I remind you and everybody else of some of yur comments recentlt about Baptists and about the glee that you expressed about the burning of a local Baptist church?"

Not all catholics express "glee" upon hearing of any church burning.
Please dont lump us all together and assume that someone "must" be catholic because they make nasty comments about another denomination of christianity.

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on September 29, 2009 at 11:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

CrimusK8T: I certainly didn't intend to give the impression that I thought all Catholics share the sentiments expressed by Rickey in the posts that I referred to. I know that this IS NOT the case, by no means is it the case. My comments were restricted to Rickey only and were a summation of some of HIS posts and weren't intended to imply that ALL Catholics shared his opinions on the matter that was at hand at the time.

Posted by travlr423 (anonymous) on September 29, 2009 at 6:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

mrjones,
I dont mean to beat a dead horse my friend but anyone who has chosen the career of politics and public service do owe each of us.
They owe us the responsibility of their best ability and most diligent effort of fulfilling the responsibilities and duties of their respective offices in a thorough and professional manner. That is the common promise to the people in exchange for their confidence and vote. Now that does not mean that they will not falter from time to time in their responsibilities, but it also grants the right of the people to criticize certain actions without the recourse of offence. Because whether its willful neglect or accidental oversight that is not what the voting tax paying citizens are voting or paying for. And any politician that can not accept criticism and use it to better him/her self or accept it as a message from his/her electors as disappointment is not and will not make a very promising or productive future candidate for any office other than that of his own affairs.

Posted by ccsoxwife (anonymous) on September 30, 2009 at 2:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I do think the CCSO is very corrupt in the fact that they are lying cheating jerks even the dispatchers. the cops sleep with the dispatchers and breakup marriages and no matter how many times it happens nothing is said to these people. no one has to answer to me but you do have to answer to somone in the end. and yes i have proof of all this because i am one casulty of these actions...one of many

Posted by travlr423 (anonymous) on September 30, 2009 at 5:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

xwife,
I suggest if you want your story to be read you should try getting in earlier on while the comments are fresh. as the thread dies out less people are likely to read your opinion. and rest assure your comment will be deleted very quickly by the CA staff.

Posted by ccsoxwife (anonymous) on September 30, 2009 at 3:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

who cares obviously someone read it or you wouldn't be commenting on it and look its been a whole day and it's still up...

Posted by travlr423 (anonymous) on September 30, 2009 at 8:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

exwife,
It is kind of strange to see your comment has survived the disappearing wand of the CA I made a very simular refrence just the other day and a few minutes later poof and it was gone.

Posted by ccsoxwife (anonymous) on October 1, 2009 at 3:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

guess they like me:)

Posted by RI_comment (anonymous) on October 2, 2009 at 7:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

everybody likes you:)