Posted by ATC1962 (anonymous) on November 21, 2009 at 1:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Uniforms will be okay. Can we find out which solid colors will be acceptable? Or is it simply any solid colors? Please report on which solid colors will be allowed so parents with children in these schools can prepare ahead of time. Nothing worse than trying to find something at the last minute.

Posted by Likeitreallymatters (anonymous) on November 21, 2009 at 8:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

That is fabulous. It has worked so well at Jemison.

Posted by soitsme (anonymous) on November 21, 2009 at 9:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

uniforms may be great for some..but not all....I am one of those parents that shops off the clearance rack for just whatever I can get during the year. I don't make it a habit of going to buy school clothes. My kids wear what they have worn all summer. So it has it's advantages and disadvantages. It may look good but for some it will hurt. When you have to see the same kids everyday and now the same clothes everyday on all the kids. There will be alot of kids getting blamed for things they didn't do because there is nothing to distinguish them by. Oh well what can we do.

Posted by Becky (anonymous) on November 21, 2009 at 12:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think that the Parents should decide and vote on this not just the school and BOE.... Then you have some that can't afford these uniforms. Rickey Porter and Maggie Hicks needs to thank about people that can't afford them, and some parents without employment.

Posted by ms_rebel (anonymous) on November 21, 2009 at 12:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I would like to know the colors to be worn, the thrift store usually has a good supply of new and used uniforms at a reasonable price. Also, many of the bigger stores ususally have a uniform sale before school starts, just have to check it out. I think it will work out fine, since the jeans a lot of kids wear hang down off their butt and t shirts are so tight, yep that is my opinon and i am sticking to it.

Posted by chilly1104 (anonymous) on November 21, 2009 at 1:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

At Jemison, they wear black, white, or grey shirts with black, khaki, or navy pants.

For those worrying about the cost of uniforms, please talk to Jemison parents. Most will tell you that they are easily found everywhere, even the thrift store.

How about adding an old uniforms donation box? This would enable school staff to help students who need uniforms.

Posted by southernpride (anonymous) on November 21, 2009 at 1:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Since school atttendance is mandatory for kids under 16 and schools are required to teach them. What will be done if a child refuses to wear a uniform?

Posted by chilly1104 (anonymous) on November 21, 2009 at 1:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If they refused to wear them, they would be disciplined for breaking school rules based on the county code of conduct book. That has not been a problem.

Students have been great about wearing their uniforms. The worst problems have been "forgetting" to wear their belt or tuck their shirts back in after PE. Generally, they do it immediately when reminded by a teacher.

Posted by kdnichols (Ken Nichols) on November 21, 2009 at 2:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Socialism:

Posted by thirdforce (anonymous) on November 21, 2009 at 4:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Absolutely correct, Ken!

Posted by ms_rebel (anonymous) on November 21, 2009 at 4:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

kd u must not know any kids that are looked down on because they are not quite dressed as good as that other kid, or be able to wear the "name" brands. It hurts like heck for that to happen, I know because I was one of the poor kids. Think of it this way, nobody wiil be outcast because their clothes arent' the same, because they will be. If you dont' like it, send your kids to a private school or one that hasn't started wearing uniforms. Not socialism, just plain old smarts.

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on November 21, 2009 at 4:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What do school uniforms have to do with the government owning what should be private businesses and confiscating the money that was earned by some people and giving it to other people who didn't earn it?

Posted by soitsme (anonymous) on November 21, 2009 at 5:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't know, but I didn't wear uniforms and I turned out just fine. There is ways around this uniform thing. These figures of authority, or supposed to be, are just throwing there weight around. We don't really have a problem at IHS with kids getting picked on because of there clothes.

Posted by ATC1962 (anonymous) on November 21, 2009 at 6:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks Steve for the comment. If it is a uniform so be it. I had rather see children dressed alike rather than knowing if they wear boxers, briefs or strings. It is sad. We go to town to shop and have to see someone more proud of their undergarments than the expensive jeans they wear. I do not imagine with the size of Isabella, a child will be blamed for something they did not do because a teacher or bus driver cannot tell who is who. The clothes do not define the person, especially if they are all dressed alike. It is the attitude and actions that will define. I can say the khaki, black and blue slacks are no where near as expensive as the other things you can buy. Also when looking for the solid color polo shirts, there is a large majority of stores that run sales on them. Walmart sells them for around 5 to 7 dollars each. The donation box is a good idea. When kids out grow them donate them to someone who cannot afford them. Actually, I went to Walmart and the grocery store this afternoon and heard Clanton parents commenting on how they wish Clanton would do the same. I am really surprised at the fact, these are all county schools. I would think the BOE should have passed it for all county schools at the same time.

Posted by VHS_Will_Rise_Again (anonymous) on November 21, 2009 at 7:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

glad VHS wont be going to unifroms!!! something im VERY proud of...!! haha....GREAT SCHOOL!!! GREAT SCHOOL!!.....takes away your character...

Posted by angieid (anonymous) on November 21, 2009 at 8:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

i am against uniforms. i have family members who after going thru a year of uniform issues at jemison decided to put their kids in thorsby. turns out thorsby is a much better fit academically and socially than jemison school was. My main problem with uniforms is that it takes away a persons freedom to express themselves. kids these days do not have many avenues to express themselves.. and some are much worse than what they wear to school. the boe dress code as it stands outlaws profanity alcholic tobacco and drug advertising and clothing would be considered revealing too much or distracting . I cant see how allowing a school system to make uniforms mandatory is helpful in educating children. To me it seems more like it encourages conformity and a loss of ones identity. The reason our country is the way it is today is because of individuals who refused to conform. They tested and pushed beyond what was considered acceptable to bring us the world as we know it. I for one am not satisfied with the world as it is today i think it still could be a much better place. if we teach our kids to look the same act the same ect... then our world will never evolve past where it is now...

Posted by VHS_Will_Rise_Again (anonymous) on November 21, 2009 at 8:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

i agree.....couldnt say it better myself.....how could uniforms help my education.....**i bet graves makes a comment about me not having an education period cause i go to verbena**

hahaha.....

Posted by soitsme (anonymous) on November 21, 2009 at 9:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

yeah graves....i do mean kids getting accused of things they didn't do...have you ever watched these cameras? If it's not close enough to the cameras you cannot tell exactly who it is.

Posted by macsgirl (anonymous) on November 21, 2009 at 9:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The BOE need to look into the teachers having a uniform policy also. I see alot of teachers (mostly women) who dress like they are going to the beach or even worse a nightclub. Some of them wear skirts that if they bent over you would see everything. I am sure that most men love to look at that, but it is very sad that they wear such things in the school system. When I see on TV that a teacher is arrested or discharged from their job for having sexual contact with a student I think of this. I am not saying this about all of the teachers, but with my 10 years as a parent involved with the school system it gets worse. So BOE this is something that you really need to think about. Just take a look at what stands in front of our kids everyday and the way the look...I promise you it is not professional. Flip flops (students can't wear) Short skirts or dresses (students can't wear), Low cut shirts (Students can't wear). I have never once heard of a teacher being told to call your spouse and tell them to bring you a change of clothes!! Think about it...

Posted by ms_rebel (anonymous) on November 21, 2009 at 10:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

from what i have heard from a reliable source, there will be rules for the teachers also. They will have to dress according to their position. So maybe no more minis or spaghetti straps. Since when can't a child be an individual while wearing a uniform? How many of you wear jeans and a t-shirt? Kind of a uniform wouldn't you say.

Posted by Preacher (anonymous) on November 21, 2009 at 10:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I drive past Jemison Middle and High Schools each morning and see the students dressed in their uniforms as they enter the school buildings. I have been impressed with how neat they all appear. It gives me a sense of pride to see our county's youth looking their best - and "classy."

There are ample appropriate times for children to express their individuality and creativity (sports, music/band, art, shop and home ec projects, and creative writing assignments). And then there are appropriate times for them to learn to conform (uniforms). Individualism and creativity that is not funnelled through positive channels turns into anarchy. Everyone doing his or her own thing turns into chaos. Besides, this is good training for the students' future, as their employers will dictate to them what is appropriate attire for the workplace. A firefighter is know by his turn-out gear, a surgeon by his scrubs, and a fastfood cook is knownby his uniform. Shouldn't a student be as easily identified?

If any parent has difficulty purchasing sufficient uniforms, they should talk with their pastor. The churches that I'm familiar with in this county would be happy to assist their parishoners that are facing financial difficulty and can not afford the uniforms. From personal experience, I can say three sets of uniforms are sufficient - wash one day and wear the next. No one knows that you're wearing the same outfit over and over since they all look exactly the same.

Posted by ATC1962 (anonymous) on November 22, 2009 at 5:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Uniforms decrease peer pressure. Increase respectability.The school systems are being forced to this issue because the simple dress code that is supplied in the yearly handbooks cannot be followed today. The peer pressure among teenage children can be worse than peer pressure among adults. With uniforms, no one will know if your clothes came from the thrift store, Walmart or a shopping mall. The object is uniformity all the way around. The BOE is trying to take the stereo -typing out of schools and bring them back to the basics. Actually the dress code should simplify things and make it easier for those less fortunate. They are less expensive. I vote with the pastor who stated how good the appearance is at Jemison. Now, if you are a member of the BOE why not vote it county wide? The real object here is to give these children equal ground. After all the night they graduate from high school, are they not all in the exact same cap and gown? What is that? Uniform possibly? If there is a need to complain ... complain about kids taking guns to school or kids making threats via text messages, myspace and facebook. The uniform issue should really not be an issue. Remember all of the athletes dress alike .... Uniforms .... whats up with that? Again ... if you can't or refuse to conform, KW has a good idea. Find yourself and 13 1/2 clothing line and get in line to purchase. I am all about rights and freedom. Just remember your individual rights and freedom end when you cross the line to where someone elses begins. This is one you learn in high school government and economics class. That is if ... you make it that far.

Posted by bestofchilton (anonymous) on November 22, 2009 at 10:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Research has shown that uniforms increase test scores. (yes you can argue with "research").
Uniforms decrease the amount of time that teachers/administrators spend on discipline issues related to dress code. This time is much better spent on curriculum.
School is training for the future...most jobs require a dress code of some type.
Yes, the teachers need a dress code also. That by the way, must be AEA approved. (AEA...another issue there...)
Students do act the way they dress. When they are dressed nice they have better manners and actions. There is an "attitude" surrounding students who push the present dress code system. Yes, they will "push" a uniform, but, it is easier to spot uniform violations and nip it in the bud than dress code violations.
Socialism? These are students! They need structure, their brains have not completely developed and they do not always make good decisions at this point. Also, school is like a job...you must follow the rules whether you like them or not...good training for our future leaders!
Administrators who have uniforms in schools state that uniforms are better. Why would they lie? If it isn't better, then they want something that causes MORE problems?They are the ones dealing directly with the students. If it decreases discipline issues then it is a no brainer!

Posted by kittycreek (anonymous) on November 22, 2009 at 1:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

November,

Did someone confiscate your money? If so Who? When did it happen? What person "who didn't earn it" received your money?

What has THAT got to do with school uniforms?

You need to run for office on a Republican ticket. You have all the qualifications. ☺

Does the tucked in shirt requirement make some of the kids that might be a little over weight feel uncomfortable? I like wearing tunics that are more figure flattering. Also, all that retucking is a much bigger hassle for girls than it is for guys. Uniforms may be a good idea, but, maybe they should rethink some of the requirements.

Posted by CrimusK8T (anonymous) on November 22, 2009 at 3:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hitler? Seriously?

Why are so many people against this?
Cost? Pleeeease.... uniforms are so much cheaper-and you have fewer casual clothes to purchase.

Taking away a child's self expression?
Give your kids some paint,markers,and paper.
Clothes are not the only form of self expression-if that is all a kid has-poor shallow kid.

Wanting them to conform????
That is a problem?
Really?

We are hardly talking about Hitler Youth here.
If you actually believe that I pity your ignorance.

There are some parents who will complain about any and everything. Even when it is in the best interest of their kids.

I agree about the way that teachers dress.
Most are modest and wear appropriate clothing
but there are a few at JES and one in particular at JMS that really,really need to tone it down.

Im not sure what the teachers that dress in poor taste are thinking.... they want 13 year olds staring? Are they really that attention hungry?

I dont mind the jeans,flip flops,etc so much-but when it comes to thin,tight and plunging- seriously,leave it in your closet for your off days!

Posted by countryman323 (anonymous) on November 22, 2009 at 3:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You cannot legislate morality. If parents are going to allow kids to wear clothes with their underwear showing and vulgarity on their clothing, school uniforms aren't going to fix the root problem. This is just another small step the government can take in the indoctrination of our youth. Teach them from an early age to just accept what the "elites" in charge tell them, then they won't resist when later on more important issues. Just another in a long line of reasons private, charter and home schooling have increased.

kw it isn't about defying authority, it's about limiting the authority the government has over you. It's about individual freedom, not anarchy.

Posted by bestofchilton (anonymous) on November 22, 2009 at 4:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think our youth could use some of the indoctrination that many of us were brought up with!
Educators are told that research indicates that they are the major influence on how a child turns out. Educators are told that it doesn't matter what environment the child comes from, they can and are expected to assist every child to succeed. Well a successful child needs to know there is a time and a place. The place for fad clothing and body parts showing is not in school or in the workplace. If some parents aren't going to take care of this from home I guess it is up to the educators.
The idea of do as I say worked well in my family. I respected my parents and gave them what was expected...and I still do.

Posted by ATC1962 (anonymous) on November 22, 2009 at 5:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am shocked at some of the comments here. Our BOE should in no way be compared to Hitler. Democrat or Republican, whatever, this is a respect issue. Individual self respect. A pair of khaki pants will not make my child a Democrat or Republican and will not change his individual way of life. This string of comments just proves a solid point, if sense were common ... we would all have some. My child is at IHS ... proudly ... and even though he will not be in the 7th grade next year, he will attend in uniform. To me, since IHS is actually K - 12 in one facility, why not prepare them for the future. Then the he wore or she wore is over. Said and Done. Thank you Mr Porter who stepped up to the plate and made a decision. What would parents do if all schools in the county went to uniforms? I bet they would give the child a cell phone and tell them to call home during class.

Posted by seriously (anonymous) on November 22, 2009 at 5:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

How many of you on here are complaining about the uniforms and are required to wear uniforms to your jobs?

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on November 22, 2009 at 6:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

kitty: I think you need to re-read my comment and put it into the context that it was intended to be in. The comments previous to mine were incorrectly comparing school uniforms to socialism. This, of course, is completly ridiculous. After you digest that I will be happy to answer your question.

Posted by angieid (anonymous) on November 23, 2009 at 6:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

omg kw you hit the nail on the head... YOU ARE BEING PAID A WAGE TO WEAR WHAT YOUR EMPLOYER DICTATES. And you also have the right to tell that employer to take this job and shove it if you dont agree with the osha requirements for you line of work.. these kids dont have that option... its mandated and kids are required by law to attend school... and they dont get any money compensation or any perks for doing so....oohhhhh i know... tell every child that every day they come to school in a uniform youll give them 5 bucks a day.... and see just how many are willing to wear uniforms for a dollar... as opposed to how many kids money doesnt mean everything to them.

Posted by angieid (anonymous) on November 23, 2009 at 7:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

seriously

i was required to wear uniforms at most of the jobs i worked at over the yrs.... the ones i wasnt required to wear uniforms i was the most happy and productive with and consequently ended up promoted into management instead of being a worker bee... but if i needed the job and it required a uniform i bit my tongue and went along because it was in my best interest. to this day if you give me a choice between a job requiring uniforms ... and a job that allows personal attire ... ill take the job with no uniforms. uniforms ick ick ick doubleknit ick.

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on November 23, 2009 at 8:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't understand the resistance to school uniforms. I am about as conservative as you can get, and I DO see many signs of indoctrination in the school system and other places. However, requiring school kids to follow rules and NOT wear clothes that are four sizes too big or too little is NOT indoctrination! If some parents had taught their children how to properly dress then this issue would never have come up. My only complaint is that this hasn't been made a county school system-wide mandate. If it's good for a few schools, and I believe it is, then it's good for ALL of them. Once again it appears as though the Superintendant and BOE are allowing the school principles to call the shots instead of they themselves, the people WE elected to make such decisions. Some parents seem to think that their kids should NEVER be told to do ANYTHING. That's probably also the way it works in their houses, hence many of the societal problems of today.

Posted by kittycreek (anonymous) on November 23, 2009 at 8:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

November,

My bad!

I understand what you were referring to now. Please forgive my rant. It just sounded like the same old song and dance I keep hearing, related to our current political issues.

Again, I sincerely apologize.

Posted by southernpride (anonymous) on November 23, 2009 at 8:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I am not sure the uniforms aren't a socialist type act after all in socialist countries school uniforms are required.

But at any rate, my thought on commnets aobut it will keep kids from having their feelings hurt because they can not dress as nice as some.

What will those kids do when they get grown? Who is going to make the world nice then?

Not being ugly, but I worked two full time jobs to see that my two kids had what they needed. I suggest the same for others that don't make enough to buy good (not name brand) clothes. Or has it been so long that kids have gotten a lot more cruel than they were? If they have should nnot the parents be to bloame?

Posted by Mof2 (anonymous) on November 23, 2009 at 8:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree with November. It should be county wide, not just a few schools here and there. Also, if parents would make sure their kids were dressed decent, uniforms wouldn't be an issue anyway. When I was in school uniforms were never mentioned because our parents made sure we were dressed appropriately. If I headed out the door in a low cut top or jeans too tight, my mother would march me right back to my room and make me change.

Posted by rolltideroll (anonymous) on November 23, 2009 at 8:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Uniforms have nothing to do with academics. If you have a problem with the academics in your school, it is your job as the parent to talk to the teachers, administrators & even the BOE, if necessary.

Several years ago, I taught in a K-4 thru 1st grade school in Louisiana that had uniforms for both the students AND teachers. At that school, all had to wear khaki pants, skirts or jumpers with either a dark green, white or black top with a collar. Wal-Mart carried the items as did many other stores. There were many thrift stores in the area that carried good used uniforms also. You could spend as much as $20 per item or less than $5 per item depending where you purchased your uniforms. Even the poorest children wore the uniforms. The uniforms were for all students & teachers in all the schools in the Parish. Different schools wore different colored shirts but all had to wear their uniforms. It helped parents & students alike to have the uniforms. I have also taught in schools in Tennessee & Alabama. One of the schools in AL had uniforms for the students only. It was a great. No worries of what to wear & no comparing name brands.

For the one that commented about children being blamed for something someone else did: After teaching in 2 schools that had uniforms, it was NOT hard to determine WHO the culprits were when it came to behavior. If teachers & administrators cannot tell the difference in students because of their clothing, they have problems that have nothing to do with uniforms.

It would be great to see all the schools in the county have their own uniform colors. Parents will learn that in the long run, they will save money by using uniforms.

Hope everyone has a very HAPPY THANKSGIVING! Remember to be THANKFUL for ALL the you have!!!

Posted by Likeitreallymatters (anonymous) on November 23, 2009 at 9:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Uniforms make the school atmosphere better. That is the pure and simple truth. Spend some time in a school before and after uniforms and the difference will be obvious.

Posted by bj2010 (anonymous) on November 23, 2009 at 9:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The whole issue of uniforms could have been solved. At the beginning of the school year, being a senior at IHS, we were told about the new "tuck in" policy. Yes, there were those who decided to rebel and say "freak this." But NO ONE was enforcing the policy. Not teachers, not administrators, NO ONE! Porter had to have a faculty meeting after school to the high school teachers about it. How lame is that? It is not our problem that some of us actually follow the dress code and no teacher decides to enforce it to those who do not follow.

Posted by kittycreek (anonymous) on November 23, 2009 at 9:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Again, I personally, would really hate having to tuck in my shirts. I wouldn't mind a uniform but, buckling a belt and tucking in a shirt 6 or 7 times a day gets old (for girls).

Posted by NoSugar (anonymous) on November 23, 2009 at 12:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am personally against wearing uniforms, unless it is for personal protection or necessary recognition in your line of work. I could be persuaded that it is best for students if I saw some concrete proof in the way of school records showing a reduction in disciplinary actions and an increase in grades and test scores. Until then my opinion is leaning slightly more to the Socialist duck theory.............

Posted by CrimusK8T (anonymous) on November 23, 2009 at 1:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

" Parents will learn that in the long run, they will save money by using uniforms."

This is so true.

Posted by Likeitreallymatters (anonymous) on November 23, 2009 at 1:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I disagree that uniforms has nothing to do with academics. Perhaps it doesn't make much difference in preschool, but in older grades, the atmosphere has a lot to do with academics, and uniforms change the environment for the better.

Posted by wantsumsleep (anonymous) on November 23, 2009 at 1:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I did not understand parents frustration with uniforms UNTIL this year. My daughter a freshman at Jemison. I have two complaints - 1. Where the heck are the uniforms if you are not a "kid". Places carry them but only in children sizes. I could not find a store to carry the required polos with long sleeves for winter. Got lucky for short sleeve. I was able to find the pants and in her size 1 but to find polos in the winter. Give it up. 2. The teachers should be wearing the same uniforms. I have seen some of them that I do not think followed the old dress code. If it is about appearance then have them all dress the same - teachers & kids. Otherwise it is a "do as I say not as I do" thing.

Posted by dixiedreaming (anonymous) on November 23, 2009 at 3:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Crimusk8t, with all due respect, you haven't a clue. First of all, going to uniforms has COST me, not saved me money. Secondly, the BOE was voted upon to make decisions for my child's education and should abide by the wishes of the public! Not once and I repeat, NOT ONCE has the BOE opened this up for public comment!

The policy (which wasn't a policy when it was convenient) was ill conceived and implemented badly. Now two other schools have "listened" to the glamor that JHS has put upon this policy and again, decisions WITHOUT public imput!

Wow, reminds me of our current federal government. These BOE people better realize that not all voters have that short of a memory.

I pity the parents in these two schools unless THEIR schools had the foresight to get a retailer to carry their uniforms in ALL SIZES! Because, if not, they'll be stuck 2 days prior to school opening on the internet in tears trying to find something for their child to wear so that they are not picked out by the faculty, sent home and embarrassed.

Obviously, Crismusk8t, the process was easier for you. It wasn't for so many more!!

And wantsumsleep, it is not about appearance. I heard the teachers say at a Bd of Ed meeting "we haven't seen anyone's underwear". Well, if the regular dress code had been enforced, that wouldn't have happened because it requires the shirts to be tucked in. INstead, no, we have to dictate every aspect of a kid's life. Parents are never included!!!

Posted by BamaChic94 (anonymous) on November 23, 2009 at 5 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well, the majority of you people seem very naive about uniforms. I had uniforms from elementary school to high school, and I never did like them. They are more expensive because you have to buy uniforms and regular clothes to wear. No kid is going to want to wear their uniform on the weekend. Lame. Also, there is still the issue of brand names and who has the better clothes. Most uniforms have a small logo on the polo and pants so you can still notice who is wearing hollister and who bought walmart clothes. We would have out of uniform days, and then the teachers would blackmail us to pay a dollar to dress out. I think the peer pressure is worse with uniforms because I've seen alot of people who are vastly overweight have to order their uniforms online because there wasn't a store that carried their size. Teachers also became tired of telling us time and time again to tuck our shirts in. The only good thing about them was..oh wait there wasn't anything. They're very uncomfortable and in truth, I think they look much uglier than the normal clothes I wear. So why can't kids just wear what they want and avoid all of this hassle?

Posted by CrimusK8T (anonymous) on November 23, 2009 at 5:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Crimusk8t, with all due respect, you haven't a clue..."

I havent a clue?

Bwahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!

Coming from you...that means...well...heh,nothing.
Are you a parent that stomps up to the school demanding to know why a teacher GAVE your kid a poor grade- when they turned in crap,and you have low expectations?
A parent who complains about EVERYTHING the school system does?

Id bet my big toe you are!
Perhaps you could look into a more perfect education for your child...such as private school- OH wait....most of them wear...um...UNIFORMS!
Wonder why?

BECAUSE THEY BENEFIT AN ENVIRONMENT FOR LEARNING!!!

This is why I would never teach...because of the parents who always want to point the finger at the school and never at themselves!

They dont get paid enough to teach,AND have to put up with some of you!

My kids wore uniforms for four years before we moved here,so this is nothing new to US.

Children (which is still what we are talking about...right?) NEED to be TOLD what to wear....some of you...maybe even you,Dixiedreaming,have extreme difficulty deciding what is appropriate!

I have kids that require extra effort when searching for uniform approved apparel,its not like I just run into Wal Mart and walk out with exactly what I need. Sometimes it requires several stores. Which we would do for regular clothing anyway.

How do you not save money? I dont get that.
We have had to buy LESS school clothing. We arent worried about them having school clothes for 5 days-so we are able to buy fewer casual clothes. Uniforms are super cheap!

I dont have a clue?
Lady,(er,I assume?)
Im not the one unable to find clothes for my kids...Im not the one WAITING till 2 days before school starts to purchase items I knew WELL in ADVANCE that I needed....
Perhaps,it is you who doesnt have a clue.

Posted by CrimusK8T (anonymous) on November 23, 2009 at 5:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"We would have out of uniform days, and then the teachers would blackmail us to pay a dollar to dress out."

HA....
You said blackmail....

So they could...what?
Pocket all that cash?

In about 10-15 years youll understand why that is totally ridiculous!

Posted by MomOf2 (anonymous) on November 23, 2009 at 5:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I have one daughter that wears a uniform to school and I wish the younger one did too. As for expense, when I can find the pants/capris/shorts on sale at Academy for $4.88, I think I have come out on the winning end of all if this. By spending less and buying fewer, 3 or 4 pairs of pants should be more than enough, leaves more to spend on"play" clothes and accessories. She was not happy at the first of the year but when she found out that she can wear any shoe or belt, and on cold days she can layer different color long sleeves with her short she was fine.

Posted by bama09 (anonymous) on November 23, 2009 at 6:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

All of this is ridiculous!!!!!!! Complaining and moaning on her is doing none of you any good. Just follow the Rules!!!

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on November 23, 2009 at 6:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

CrimusK8T: You are 100% correct! You nailed it! It's hard to tell these days who are parents and who are the children. Children are SUPPOSED to be told what to do by the PARENTS, not the other way around. I wish uniforms were used when my kids were in school, it sure would have saved a lot of money and simplified life in several ways!

Posted by lstms10 (anonymous) on November 23, 2009 at 9:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Okay, seriously y'all? Socialism and Hitler?

Jemison adopted uniforms while I was sophomore, and I have to say, I wasn't a fan to begin with. But, it's really not that bad. By the way, you don't have to tuck in your shirt 6-7 times a day if you get one long enough. Teachers do enforce it. Trust me. And, you can still be individuals. I'm very thankful are they are lenient with accessories. You can wear whatever kind of jewelry, shoes, belts, ect. And it did save my mom a lot of money, because you really only have to buy uniforms maybe once every 2 years. I still am wearing the same ones from my sophomore year, and I'm a senior. :)

Some of you are taking this way to far, they're just clothes. Nothing about trying socialism or whatever y'all wanna think. It's simply just improving the appearance of the students by making them not look like hoochies and thugs.

Posted by lstms10 (anonymous) on November 23, 2009 at 9:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Also, even the bigger children in our school wear uniforms. They found their sizes without crying, so I'm sure others can too.

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on November 23, 2009 at 9:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

kw: Coffee sounds good in the morning. Regular place at 7:30am?

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on November 23, 2009 at 10:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sounds good, see you there!

Posted by thirdforce (anonymous) on November 23, 2009 at 10:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

There would be no need for a dress code if parents stepped up to the plate and had their own "dress code" for their kids. No thongs, no sagging pants, no mini-skirts, no holes in the crotch of pants.......This should never be an issue in the school system. Teachers and principals aren't the ones buying the clothing for the kids or dressing them before they come to school. It starts in the home. Stop trying to put the parents' responsibility on the government. Say NO to your child instead of trying to be thier BFF! It's that simple! I have three kids of my own and this is not a problem in our house. They may not like it, but that's my job as a parent!

Posted by Lifeinthecountry (anonymous) on November 24, 2009 at 5:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Most career positions have clothing expectations or uniforms.

The list of uniform wearers is long: Police, firefighters, nurses, soldiers, pilots, mechanics, All sorts of retail and service workers wear uniform clothing, doctors wear white coats. Dr's offices workers now wear colorful scrubs, vet's offices wear the same. All health care workers in nursing homes, hospitals, clinics have worn uniforms proudly for years.

Governmental Office workers usually have some dress code. Business attire is expected for bankers, lawyers in court, and other businesses. Mail carriers, meter readers, phone company and other utility workers usually wear something that identifies them in their work role. Park officials and park workers and countless other occupations wear uniforms to identify their expertise and official status in a role.

Many occupations require a certain type of clothing, that by it's nature becomes a uniform. Good example was given of Osha expectations. Race car drivers, environmental clean up personel are examples of protective clothing that fits the job.

Transportation workers, road crews, Cruise workers, bus drivers, passenger train personnel, airline staff from the cabin crew to the luggage guys, all with different uniforms to identify the roles.

If you think about it, most career positions have clothing expectations, whether it's a uniform, or some uniformity in in standards for the situation. You could make a good argument that some of the better paying jobs with benefits and job stability have clothing requirements.

I think the shorter list are those occupations that don't have any clothing requirements at all. And, of course if you don't work at all, your wardrobe is only constrained by your budget.

If expecting children to follow clothing rules that require 3 or 4 different color shirts and 2 or 3 color pants (8 to 12 combinations possible) seems out of line to folks, I think they aren't looking at the big picture.

Posted by thirdforce (anonymous) on November 24, 2009 at 8:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Lifeinthecountry...

Good point....but how are children supposed to learn how to choose clothing for dates, church events, extracurricular activities, or any other activities outside the school day? The school years are a time for learning and growing to prepare for life decisions. Children should be given opportunities to express their individuality but with boundaries from their parents. Again, it all begins in the home and that is where our society is crumbling. When I look at some of the clothing that parents wear in public I don't have to wonder why we are having to move in the direction of uniforms! My point....PARENTS need to be responsible and be positive leaders by example in their home and stop being dependent on government institutions to do this for them.

Posted by wantsumsleep (anonymous) on November 24, 2009 at 8:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!! Uniforms are not cheaper. They are the same clothes as in the shops except the colors and shirt styles. Really.... How is it cheaper. The school still allows the logos on shirts and belive me these uniform styles and colors are most often found in American Eagle and Areopostle. Now when I am trying to find longer sleeves I have to resort to order online from these shops. They are not on sale. They are not marked down. Can you find jackets without hoods or sweaters with hoods. So, if you have the inside on wear you can get uniforms, polo shirts in long and short sleeve that are as affordable please let me know. But, I stress that the whole school - students, teachers, administrators - should be dressing along the dress code. Why not everyone look the same. Maybe then the stores in Alabaster and Calera will carry the "unform".

Posted by CoachLee (anonymous) on November 24, 2009 at 9:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Thirdforce - going on a date or a church event in a pair of khakis and a white polo sounds all right to me - I grew up in the preppy craze of '79-82 - we chose to dress that way. Of course, we liked our polos to have little alligators on them, and we wore Bass Weejuns with no socks. A friend of mine got in trouble at work (retail) for not wearing socks - he bought five pairs of skin-colored socks. Since I actually like the style of the uni's, I don't see what all the fuss is about. By the way, a team I follow played a game during school and our opponent's students wore uniforms. Admittedly, they looked really sharp, but they still tried to spit in our water barrel.

Posted by CrimusK8T (anonymous) on November 24, 2009 at 12:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Good point....but how are children supposed to learn how to choose clothing for dates, church events, extracurricular activities, or any other activities outside the school day? The school years are a time for learning and growing to prepare for life decisions. Children should be given opportunities to express their individuality but with boundaries from their parents."

So, what you are saying is that parents cannot teach their children how to dress for life unless they allow them to wear whatever they want to school.

Heres how I see it...

My kids have plenty of non-school time to wear non-uniform clothing.
This leaves us ample time to discuss and teach what is appropriate to wear to church,on dates,and for all occasions. They will learn to choose attire that is event specific,and also maintain expectations of uniform dress code.

Do you not believe that children should learn other forms of self expression?
Is that your only form of self expression?

I really dont get your logic on this.

Wantsumsleep-
"So, if you have the inside on wear you can get uniforms, polo shirts in long and short sleeve that are as affordable please let me know."

Many schools in Montgomery and Prattville carry uniforms. Wal Mart,Ross,Marshalls,TJ Maxx,Old Navy,Kolhs,Target,Gap,and Belk are some that we have purchased uniforms from in and out of Montgomery.

Old Navy/Gap both have pretty good uniform clothing,I think Old Navy's regular clothing line lacks quality and size consistency but their uniforms are better quality.

They also have hard to find sizes.

http://oldnavy.gap.com/browse/category.d...
http://oldnavy.gap.com/browse/category.d...

Solid color fleece jackets are pretty easy to find. I would try Old Navy or Belk in Alabaster.

My kids are still wearing short sleeves with their fleece jackets-but they get hot during the day.

Posted by CrimusK8T (anonymous) on November 24, 2009 at 12:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Many schools in Montgomery and Prattville carry uniforms"

That should have been "Many stores carry uniforms in Montgomery and Prattville."

Posted by wantsumsleep (anonymous) on November 24, 2009 at 2:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I appreciate your help CrimusK8T but the links are to children sizes. I need junior sizes. She too tall for childrens and the size 16 are too big. She can do size 1/3 junior. Shirts in kids are too short in the sleeves and length so she is a size small in junior. We are actually a few miles from Montevallo and I work in B'ham. Don't get to Prattville or Montgomery. Fleece jackets I find have hoods. Cannot have hoods with the dress code. I found some long sleeve polo on Areopostle website but they were out of her size in the 3 colors allowed - navy, white and grey. Alabaster Belks said they do not carry uniforms except few in children's because no business for it in the area. They used to carry it. Old Navy did not have them that I could find with the dress code. I was all for the uniforms. Really. But after seeing some of the teachers when I was picking up my child at school one afternoon I was amazed at what the women were wearing. I guess that goes along with no cell phones but her bus driver talks on the phone while driving the bus. Teachers taking calls while in the classroom. Oh now I am on another topic. Sorry. Thanks for your help.

Posted by CrimusK8T (anonymous) on November 24, 2009 at 2:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"But after seeing some of the teachers when I was picking up my child at school one afternoon I was amazed at what the women were wearing."

Yeah,I totally agree with you!
I have heard some of the boys make some pretty nasty comments about the way one in particular dresses. I have,of course,corrected them-but Im certain others see it too.

I just wouldnt want to draw that sort of attention to myself....especially if I were a teacher! Its so,so,so inappropriate!

Id like to see teachers wearing slacks and button up shirts ...at least-but uniforms would be great for all.

I have a hard to fit kid...so I do understand where you are coming from-
My mom has ordered some stuff for the kids from Dickies online also.

I wish I could think of other places. Good luck!

Posted by thirdforce (anonymous) on November 24, 2009 at 3:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Crimus.....

"So, what you are saying is that parents cannot teach their children how to dress for life unless they allow them to wear whatever they want to school."

No...............the "whatever they want" is where parental boundaries come in.

"Do you not believe that children should learn other forms of self expression?
Is that your only form of self expression?"

I did not say that choosing your clothes is the ONLY form of self expression. I stated, "Children should be given OPPORTUNITIES (more than one) to express their individuality.

"I really dont get your logic on this."

Well, it's my perspective so you really don't have to "get my logic."

Posted by mlab (anonymous) on November 25, 2009 at 9:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I do agree with several of these comments, especially the ones regarding teachers/staff/administrators if the students have to wear uniforms then I truly believe teachers/staff/ and administrators should follow the same policy. It is very distrubing to have teenage boys comment about teachers and counselors undergarments. If they are setting the example for our kids, then what is this telling the kids. It is true some adults don't follow the dress code policy, nor are they reprimanded for not doing so.

Posted by CrimusK8T (anonymous) on November 25, 2009 at 10:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"No...............the "whatever they want" is where parental boundaries come in."

Clearly parents are failing at this...but thats a whole other issue.

Your "perspective" on children not learning proper attire for events outside of school,many of which would call for a totally different form of attire,if they wear uniforms is...odd-at best.
My husband was fortunate enough to attend an excellent private school-he wore uniforms from K 3 until he started college at AL.
Because of his parental guidance on proper attire he was able to easily transition.

"I did not say that choosing your clothes is the ONLY form of self expression. I stated, "Children should be given OPPORTUNITIES (more than one) to express their individuality."

Maybe if kids were designing their own clothes and making them a deeper form of self expression would exist.
Its not about self expression-or individuality though-its about kids wearing what all of their friends are wearing.

Posted by John (anonymous) on November 25, 2009 at 10:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm not against school uniforms even though i do believe it will cost me more money. I have two kids in school and my wife is a teacher. If all are made to wear uniforms then they will be required to have two sets of clothes. Some for school and the others to wear to free world events. If any of you think that my wife who has been teaching for over 20 years is going to start wearing her school uniform to church and out to eat you are crazy. Anyway, the problem i have with the whole thing is that there are rules in the code of conduct already that addresses what you can or cannot wear to school. That policy is not enforced. If it is enforced it is not done fairly. The code of conduct states that you can't have holes in your paints. Go walk down the hall at a school and you tell me what you see. A rule just like a law isn't any good if you don't enforce it. They are not enforcing the rules that are in place now, I don't see them enforcing a uniform dress code either. Maybe I'm wrong. I hope so.

Posted by CrimusK8T (anonymous) on November 25, 2009 at 1:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

John,

Uniforms are easier to enforce than a dress code for "street clothes".

As far as teachers wearing uniforms-Im all for it!
Some teachers apparently have no idea how to choose appropriate school attire. Uniforms could perhaps remove this as an issue.

My kids do not need to see their teachers' cleavage or know what color bra they have on,or liken her to a woman lacking morals.

Posted by waynecarter (anonymous) on November 30, 2009 at 9:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

i say let kids wear what they want to because to some our clothing means more to us and to a teenager clothes mean everything. my father tries to correct me on how i wear my hat, because its a flat bill fitted hat worn to the side and never straight but hey thats how i want to wear it. it God wanted all of us to be the same in unified then he wouldnt have made us so different. so give the kids a break and let them be kids.