Posted by kwsrgraves (anonymous) on June 3, 2009 at 7:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Seems Kevin's department did their job well without the use of a tank and a SWAT team. Good job guys.

Now, the questions are, how did they, (the fugitives) find Martin's trailer park? And who helped them/housed them? Have these eyesores become a NATIONAL haven for fugitives? I mean, really, kidnappers fleeing south, take refuge in a TRAILER PARK in Chilton County! Priceless!!!!

Posted by freddy20022000 (anonymous) on June 3, 2009 at 9:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree they did a good job with out the SWAT team that always gets the creit. And were they got the people at it needs cleen up. I know people has to rent but don't have bad people in them that takes little kids.

Posted by KatherineReece (anonymous) on June 3, 2009 at 10:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow! Good job guys!

I was wondering how they found their way to Martin's myself!

Posted by gonefishen (anonymous) on June 3, 2009 at 10:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This should serve as an big eye opener. There is more than meets the eye when it comes to some of our south of the border neighbors. The signs of trouble are all around us, but most people have choosen to ignore them.
Clanton provides this type of criminal with many tactical advantages. Their biggest advantage is public denial.

Posted by carol (anonymous) on June 4, 2009 at 5:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

As many Mexicans as we have in Chilton County, surely one had to be related to Alvarez and that is probably how they found Martin's Trailer Park, you think? Chilton County law enforcement evidently had a good idea where to look, good job guys.

Posted by chiltontransplant (anonymous) on June 4, 2009 at 7:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

If you drive to the south end of Enterprise Road you will see a closed store with gang graffiti painted all over it. Given the proximity of the store to the largest trailer park in the county and its residents being predominantly hispanic, this is not a good sign!! I'm no law enforcement agent, but I'd say its only a matter of time before the hispanic gangs become more visible in our county.

Posted by turbobat (anonymous) on June 4, 2009 at 8:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I totally agree chiltontransplant. Gangs in general are now trying to take over where they can and it's time we all ban together to try and stop them. The law enforcement can't do it by themselves!!!! Kevin and everyone that was involved......."THANK YOU FOR DOING AN OUTSTANDING JOB!!" I know now that if something were to happen to my kids, we have one heck of a police department on the job. Again, Thank you and Congratulations on a job more than well done.

Posted by southernpride (anonymous) on June 4, 2009 at 9:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The illegals would not be here if it was not for people hiring them to work under the table.

If you know anyone that is using this type of labor, let your friends know. I would be willing to boycott any product that employer sold.

I wonder how many are on some of the local farms? Not saying there are but that there is the possiblilty of it since many of the illegals are migrant farm hands.

Posted by njones (anonymous) on June 4, 2009 at 9:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Where did it say they were "illegal"? If they are, then the police department should be doing something about this before the US Marshals contacted the County ..I would doubt that Chilton County is a "safe sanctuary" county.

Posted by travlr423 (anonymous) on June 4, 2009 at 10:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

although the sheriff's dept. acted swiftly in assisting the U.S. Marshall's, and Virgina authorities in this matter thereby executing the law, you should keep in mind that this was an 18yr. old abducting her half sister neither of which bear first names common to Hispanics. and the child was taken from a state foster home, the crime they committed may possibly be far less worse than the crime that may have been taking place against this child. not all foster homes or foster parents are in it for the right reasons. some children are taken from bad to worse through this system. I'm not saying that is the case here. but I'm not saying its not either. and to be quiet frank if i were a child with siblings that had been put in foster care and alienated from my siblings i might have attempted the same offence. so i would have to hesitate to make a judgement call on this issue simply because it was family related and i do not know the facts. but one fact is pretty clear, i don't think it had any relevance to hispanic gang activity.

Posted by kwsrgraves (anonymous) on June 4, 2009 at 10:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This cat very well have been born and raised as an AMERICAN. There was no nationality mention in this article. Prejudiced thinking is just a way of life here in Klanton.

Posted by chiltontransplant (anonymous) on June 4, 2009 at 10:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

What legitimizes a "safe sanctuary," and from whose perspective? If we don't have the resources in our county to combat illegals, they (illegals) would perceive our county to be a "safe sanctuary." The illegals will flock to the path of least resistance. In my opinion, and no disrespect to our law enforcement, our county has become such a path.

Posted by chiltontransplant (anonymous) on June 4, 2009 at 10:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

travlr, I was not implying that this case had anything to do with gang activity. I was referring more to the comments previous to mine concerning the trailer parks.

kw, I'm not from "Klanton" so I wouldn't know about your prejudices. But I can assure you of this; when you establish low income housing (trailer parks), and that housing becomes saturated with hispanics, and you begin seeing gang signs on unoccupied buildings next to that low income housing, it won't be long before you begin to see more sinister activities behind the signs.

Posted by travlr423 (anonymous) on June 4, 2009 at 10:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

you are absolutely correct on this (Klanton) thing KW, my guess is that the mother is American and the father is Hispanic. but i dont think nationality or race plays any part in the reason this crime took place. this sort of abduction or crime of kidnapping takes place somewhere everyday in America by Americans, but we have no knowledge of it because we have no direct involvement in it. and even when we do hear or see it on the news we always have reservations about judging the person who done it because we do not know all the facts, but let a Hispanic become involved directly or indirectly and all the sudden every Hispanic in the country is here to bring it down. and it is no different with blacks. there are good and bad people every where in the world. i do not know of one city,state or country that is not policed for protection against violence and lawlessness, and i think it was that way at least in America long before the black race was here or Hispanics.

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on June 4, 2009 at 11:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

You're right, chiltontransplant: If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, walks like a duck and has webbed feet, I wouldn't be inclined to think that it might just be an eagle in drag. I think I would go out on a limb and call it a duck.

kw: Are you insinuating that "Klanton" is a hot-bed of klan activity, or that we are more prone to "preduditial" thinking than folks anywhere else? If so, you might want to take a little trip to Michigan and Idaho.

Posted by steve42 (anonymous) on June 4, 2009 at 11:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The "tagging" that is occurring across from Martin's is almost certainly coming from that particular trailer slum. There's no legitimate reason for me to see individuals crossing the road between the closed store and the trailer slum, but I do.

Martin's Trailer Slums are going to continue to fester until something particularly nasty grows out of them. There's nothing wrong with trailer parks when they are well managed and well cared for. However, when 14 people are allowed to live in one trailer for $500 a month, you are begging for trouble.

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on June 4, 2009 at 11:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

steve42: I agree completely. We need a city and county-wide ordnance to cover this issue. Of course, it would do no good to have an ordnance if it's not enforced. I don't think we will be able to depend on a tornado to completely correct this problem. I think the slum lords are just as responsible for illegal immigrant gangs as the gang members themselves who live in the slums. It's amazing what some people will do when they apparently don't have a conscience. Anything for money, no matter how detrimental it is for the community.

Posted by travlr423 (anonymous) on June 4, 2009 at 11:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

As a landlord i have had better luck with Hispanics than anyone else, they took care of my property and when the rent was due they called on me i did not have to run down my money. i have sold and financed property to Hispanics and they never missed a payment. i can not say that about white folks, they either don't pay or want to pay part now and part later and almost always leave a mess and plenty of property damage.

And as far as Chilton county being a path of least resistance that's insane, Hispanics locate anywhere they are relatively close to work primarily being the construction industry.
A few hundred yrs. ago we were buying and importing Africans against their will bringing them into the United States using them to do what we wouldn't do and now we have Hispanics coming in willingly wanting to work and we are complaining about it. Now if we could beat them unmercifully and sleep with their women and children and hang one from a rope every time our day didn't go just right. i guess it would be okay. But alluding to the fact somewhere down the line somebody stepped up and said hey, this is not right, there are such things as human rights and responsibilities in dealing with mankind i guess as BB KING says (the thrill is gone away) or another good one (you gone a reap just what you sow) We as Americans are nothing more than a bunch of spoiled foolish children that are never satisfied, pout every time we don't get our way and full of double standards.

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on June 4, 2009 at 11:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

travlr423: I take it that since you are making money from these folks that you have not a care in the world as to whether they are breaking the law by BEING here or not. And by the way, by your last sentence I take it that you really don't care for Americans so why don't you just move down south of the border and start a slum town down there, I'm sure they would just LOVE to have you.

Posted by travlr423 (anonymous) on June 4, 2009 at 12:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

well Nov, let me ask you did your ancestors that were using the blacks for human animals and anything else they saw fit to use them for. were they concerned with the law? how many slaves were legal citizens of the states, were they considerate of what is morally right and wrong? and as far as my last sentence, i am just as much american as you, just not obviously as blind to the truth about whats happening in my own home as you appear to be. My property belongs to me i payed for it. the way i see it who i rent to is my business. whether these people are here legally or illegally is a matter of the law and one has nothing to do with the other. If these people are breaking the law well do your job and contact your state and local leaders. but to assume in any way that these people should be looked on as anything other than fellow human creatures is the same as cursing God the creator of all mankind and who created all men in his image. And the last part of my comments, well your last comment pretty much bears witness to it.

Posted by travlr423 (anonymous) on June 4, 2009 at 12:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The way i see it, This universe belongs to god and since i am also a creation of god i should have the right to reside anywhere i want to. As do most Americans, If i want to reside in Mexico, France,Germany,Italy,Russia or anywhere else. Now if its OK for me to do it why shouldn't it be OK for someone else from another country to feel the same way, that is unless I'm using double standards. and basing my life on double standards.

Posted by travlr423 (anonymous) on June 4, 2009 at 1:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The biggest flaws i see in (illegal immigrants) does not lie within the Immigrants them selves but in the duties of Americans that break the laws concerning these immigrants for their own profit. And rest assure if these Americans were not working them and if the govt. did not want them here they would still be in Mexico. so if there is someone to blame put the blame where it belongs. on the american people and govt. therefore it goes right back to the days of slavery, as long as the white people were profiting from it, it was OK, but when slavery was abolished it turned into a racist division of double standards and greed. (its only good if it benefits me.)

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on June 4, 2009 at 1:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

travlr: That has GOT to be one of the most ridiculous and disjointed comments that I have seen in this forum, and that's really saying something.

First, I REALLY want to know, since you don't even know me, how do you know that I have ancestors that "were using the blacks for human animals...'. I have researched my ancestry WAAAAYYYY back and haven't come across a bill of sale for a person yet. As best as I can determine, my folks never owned ANYTHING of value until about 1870. Besides, your point is moot because back in those days we didn't have immigration laws, we do now.

"...whether these people are here legally or illegally is a matter of the law and one has nothing to do with the other." Now, that's priceless! In other words, " I don't care at all what's legal or illegal, as long as I'm making money from it, it's OK." Now that's my idea of a real law-abiding citizen. You do realize, I hope, that part of your franchise as a citizen of the United States is to abide by the laws set forth. Enabling someone else to break the law makes YOU part of the crime. Like it or not, whether the law is enforced or not, that is the fact of the matter.

I looked back over these posts and I haven't come across a comment where anyone assumed "in any way that these people should be looked on as anything other than fellow human creatures..."

My last comment is, I believe, factual, and I stand by it. I DO think they would be happy to have you. I have been there and my observation is that our slum standard is a notch above their slum standard. If you were to move there you could potentially improve the accepted level of slumminess south of the border.

Now, if you have no respect for the rule of law and have no problem with your conscience by willfully enabling those who are disobeying the law, well, then, I really don't know what to say. But I'll think of something.

By the way, is it a trailer park that you own and rent out to these potentially illegal immigrants, or are these nice houses that you are renting out? And how many units? Just curious. If the Tax Assessor were to come visit your property, will he find that the property is properly categorized and not assessed with a homestead exemption when it's actually being used commercially? Just curious. I'm sure you've got that all squared away. With the county in such dire economic straights they need all the tax revenue they can get.

Posted by travlr423 (anonymous) on June 4, 2009 at 1:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

There is only one thing worse than ignorance and that is educated ignorance.

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on June 4, 2009 at 1:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Which type do you have?

Posted by travlr423 (anonymous) on June 4, 2009 at 1:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

and by the way Nov. the tax accessor is quite aware of everything i own. and no i do not discriminate against race, color or origin or religion. or (ignorance)so if you should desire to rent from me. please don't feel intimidated. As long as you are drug free and agree to live by the rules of the application you will certainly be considered. ill be willing to bet i pay more property tax than you do. so why don't you go buy some more property and not only will you be helping your fellow man you will be contributing the extra tax dollars that your community desperately needs in this crucial time. or you can just sit around and keep whining about the community in which you live and like so many others just be known as a whining nagging crybaby who contributes nothing extra and always feel intimidated by those who do.

Posted by kwsrgraves (anonymous) on June 4, 2009 at 1:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Nov, I have to agree with you.

"...whether these people are here legally or illegally is a matter of the law and one has nothing to do with the other."

That's like saying child pornography is ok to view as long as you don't kidnap the child.
Travlr, you seem to be an intelligent person with SOME semi moral convictions when you choose. But, lately, you are starting to sound like a cross between Jim Jones, David Koresh, and Jeremiah Wright. Now, with that said, I am NOT questioning or judging your heart and soul, just your comments. I know there is a BIG difference there. But based on today's thread, your comments are making you sound like a huge problem in the socio-economic stature of America. A problem that is a product of GREED.

Posted by travlr423 (anonymous) on June 4, 2009 at 1:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

sorry Nov, but i have to go now, i need to go look at some trailer park property for sale. after all some one has to look out for all those trailer trash people. but i must say the excitement in here has been a joy for me. you have a blessed day my friend.

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on June 4, 2009 at 1:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

travlr: As I said, I'm sure you have your tax situation all squared away. I'm glad to see that you have respect for your fellow man. Now, if we could only get you to have respect for the law and the longterm effect your actions are having on your country. But, what the hey, as long as YOU are making money I guess that's all that matters.

Thanks for the offer of a place to live but I've got a little place here that is fairly adequate. It'll get me by.

You very well may be right about paying more property tax than I do, I don't know. Thank you once again for the advice to buy property but I have already done that. I own this little place here, then a place down in south Alabama and some property in Tennessee. That's about all I can keep up with at the present. Hopefully that will suffice in "helping my fellow man" and "contributing the extra tax dollars", at least I hope so.

You need to figure out the difference between "whinning about the community" and pointing out things that are obviously wrong. No crybabies or naggers (careful with THAT spelling!) here. Fill us in, if you will, on all of your philanthropical activities here in your community. It might just inspire some of us to right all that is wrong. Be sure to let me know when I have sufficiently proved to you that I'm not intimidated.

Posted by travlr423 (anonymous) on June 4, 2009 at 2:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

KW, how does supplying a family with a place to live contribute to any unlawfulness or more particularly greed. if you know anything about rental property the one thing you do know is there is nothing there that would contribute the the terminology of greed. And as far as my comments today, i am merely pointing out that all men were created equal. and thereby all men should be looked at as equal counterparts. now the behavior of all men is not equal and thus giving rise to the laws in which we live by. but to assume that because most of these people are here illegally means they are here to do us harm or that they are all slum, well, if you agree with that maybe you and Nov there should become redneck beer drinking buddies and come up with the ultimate plan to save the world. from slum and slum lords. or whoever does not fall within your idea of who should have been a product of gods creation. after all some folks seem to know more about how this world should have been created than the creator his self. i would suggest running for gov. or president I'm sure with the comments made in here one of you would surely succeed and pull the other on as vice.

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on June 4, 2009 at 2:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Earth to travlr: It's NOT an "assumption" that most of these people are here illegally, it's a FACT. The last figures I saw conservatively estimated that 12 MILLION were here illegally. That's 12 million NOT paying state or federal income tax, though there are a VERY few who do. 12 million who DON'T pay into the medicare system but many use it anyway, 12 million that DON'T pay Social Security but who, I guarantee you, will be allowed to receive SSI benefits before your president leaves office. Thank goodness they don't have much of a way to avoid paying sales tax, they ---- sure need to be paying SOME type of tax.

The fact that all men are created equal, and they are, does NOT mean that any of them should be allowed to disobey laws that they don't agree with. That includes the illegal immigrant and his enabler.

Now that you mention it, I believe I will go have a beer, but my redneck side rarley comes out. It's sometimes fun when it does, though.

Posted by southernpride (anonymous) on June 4, 2009 at 2:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sorry I got all this started. Maybe the Hispanic is here legally. However, travl seems to be out in left field on this one. If they are here illlegally, YOU ARE assisting them in breaking the law by renting to them.

You can't have it both ways.

As far as slaves go, every race has been a slave at one time or another. As I black friend of mine once told me, he is glad not to of been a slave but glad his ancestors were or he would not been in the land of opportunity. If still in Africa he would probably not be a successful business man as he is here.

I don't condone slavery but I don't make a big deal out of it being used in the past since the beginning of time as some do.

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on June 4, 2009 at 2:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Debby, here's a newsflash for you. You will find predjudice EVERYWHERE you go. You can find it here and you can find it in Augusta, GA, and you can find it in California, New York City, Japan, Ecuador, Thailand, Germany and everywhere else that I have seen with my own eyes. So, what's your point? And another thing, predjudice is NOT something found ONLY in white people. However, I think that too many people are not capable of seeing the difference between "preference" and "predjudice".

Posted by gkeys (anonymous) on June 4, 2009 at 3:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You are correct November. The worst prejudice I have EVER seen was in Columbus, Ohio!

I would love to see large fines for anyone who knowingly employs or houses illegal immigrants, say about $20K per person housed or employed. Take away their work and their place to live; they will leave on their own! I don’t mind anyone wanting the chance to come here to work, but do it legally!

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on June 4, 2009 at 3:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

gkeys: I couldn't agree more!

Posted by penandpaper1 (anonymous) on June 4, 2009 at 3:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am a black american and I agree that there is predjuice every where. I do not race mix but my brothers act like there is nothing better then those white girls. I think its a mind thing for them. Some how everyone got off the story about the police finding the people in the trailer park and on to race. I am glad the police was able to assist them, but as far as saying it was a good job and Davis acting like his people caught John Gotti, get real, there was the cell phone call and it was traced to Martin trailer court. Good to see them doing something to earn their pay.

Posted by travlr423 (anonymous) on June 4, 2009 at 4:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

well I'm not saying that i enjoy them being here. i'm not saying that laws are not being broken, but even if the legal papers were there it would not change the fact that the real truth is we just don't want them here. and i guess its OK to feel that way, but you can make negative remarks about their character and their culture all day long it doesn't change a thing. they are still going to be here in the morning. As far as the Hispanics on a personal level i have nothing against them they are as good as i am. its our government that allows it to keep escalating. And i know better than a lot of people what the population of illegal immigrants have done to the job market. as a subcontractor my work has constantly decreased over the last 15yrs. or so. but still i do not hate or blame them they are only doing what we have allowed them to do. As a self employed contractor the last few yrs. have been very difficult i have been surviving on a string from one day to the next. But if its not the Hispanic group i have to compete against its people out there competing with me that has alternate incomes like disability checks and drug dealers operating a front for their lucrative little businesses. but again i have to place the blame where the blame lies, and that is with the govt. and the people who employee this group of individuals. I can understand the frustration of people concerning this issue, but at the same time i have to be completely honest with my self too. As far as a threat of violence at the current moment in time I'm more concerned about the generation of american people that are consumed by prescription and chemical drugs than Hispanic gang activity. And for the landlords that lease or rent dwellings to the Hispanic group, they(cities and counties) can always adopt an ordinance that allows limited numbers of people to dwell in one dwelling and that's where it becomes necessary for the people to voice their concerns starting with their local government, the city or county. racial slurs and degrading comments only serve as the breeding ground for the creation of greater circumstances to overcome farther down the road and serves no purpose to address the problem or steps to a resolution.

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on June 4, 2009 at 4:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

travlr: Nobody here has "made negative remarks about their character or culture", and nobody has made any "racial slurs" or "degrading" comments so I don't know what you are talking about there. Your comment went around in at least three full circles but I think your position is that "it's all the government's fault", and, "yeah, they might be here illegally but I'm still gonna get mine". I agree with you that the government is definitely at fault for being so politically correct that it won't even enforce it's own laws, but that doesn't mean that we have to participate in activities that are detrimental to our country just because the government is misbehaving. I think kwsrgraves' comment summed it up about right, "That's like saying that looking at child pornography is OK as long as you don't kidnap the child". It's very simple, you either think it's OK to condone and enable illegal activity, or you don't. It's really that simple. And, I agree with you that another, and even greater, part of the problem is the employers of these folks. They, too, are participating in (by enabling) and profiting from a crime. But, this is nothing new.

Anyhow, have a good day travlr. travl on and prosper.

Posted by psychologistdmp (anonymous) on June 4, 2009 at 4:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This article is about a little girl who was abducted by her half-sister and a guy, who just happens to be hispanic. In no section of this article does it mention or even come close to making me think that race played any part in this girls disappearance. I'm glad the little girl was found and is, supposedly, doing well. I hope this incident did not do any major emotional damage.

travlr423, for you to say something like "i might have attempted the same offence" really makes me question your decision making ability. A child does not go into foster care for no reason and if Virginia follows the same or similar guidelines as Alabama, when considering placing a child in foster care all relatives presented are examined. For this sister to take it upon herself to remove this girl from a foster home was selfish and irresponsible. That type of irratic behavior is probably one of the reasons the little girl wasn't with this sister in the first place. I wouldn't recommend agreeing with a person's actions when the person is sitting in jail.

Posted by travlr423 (anonymous) on June 4, 2009 at 4:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

gkeys, you know you have to be very careful refusing to give someone equal opportunity rights in this country it can very easily cost you everything you have. which to be honest in my case is not much. but it is all i have. we have adopted laws that conflict with each other and are adopted to benefit those who do not make any attempt in life to earn their own but prey on that which another has struggled to acquire. And as i stated in an earlier comment i have rented to whites, blacks and Hispanics and the Hispanic group were the only ones i never had a complaint with. of course I'm speaking on a small scale and my personal results are only based on that measure. however, i have spoke with many landlords on a larger scale and have found them to respond with the same results. I do know that there are some landlords that will rent to anyone and everyone and even rent to Hispanics by the head which i have been told is very profitable. but its that kind of land lording that turns a peaceful community or neighborhood into a slum neighborhood as Nov, calls it. but again that goes back to who is the responsible blame. And i don't really know what you might always call a illegal immigrant. the ones i dealt with owned their own successful businesses and were licensed and insured to do business. but yet were not citizens of the U.S. i don't understand how it can be anymore illegal for one to rent housing to a non citizen than it would be to grant a business license,drivers license or insure their vehicles or their businesses while they are not citizens of the U.S.

Posted by kittycreek (anonymous) on June 4, 2009 at 4:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Many of these Hispanic people are only trying to make a better life for themselves. Who can blame them for that? Just because we were fortunate enough to be born in this country doesn't make us somehow "more deserving" than others.
Travlr423,
A few years back I helped run a "buy here pay here" car lot. Our Hispanic customers were consistently more reliable, than our local folks, so, I know where you're comming from on that. Of course, we were mostly selling to people with little or no credit.

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on June 4, 2009 at 4:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

travlr: Try crossing the border into another country without the proper documentation and you will learn all you want to know about "illegal immigration". Or, you can just slip in under cover of night, or a car trunk, breaking several Federal laws in doing so, and just go on your merry way. The government has a responsibility and a DUTY to keep up with who is coming and going in our country in an attempt to keep us safe. Safe from terrorism, safe from health issues such as epidemics, and safe from people who come here and have an unfair advantage over bonafide U.S. Citizens by being able to work and not have to pay various taxes. The government is failing MISERABLY in it's duty. But, that doesn't mean that we should profit from it.

Posted by travlr423 (anonymous) on June 4, 2009 at 5:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

psycho, you as well as my self do not know the entire story regarding this issue. and keep in mind that the older sister is only eighteen and they may have been separated several yrs ago, and maybe she done what she thought she had to do to reunite with her sibling. was it the right way to go about it? no, if i had faced the same obstacle at eighteen would i have done it any different, well i don't know i cant say that and neither can you unless you just want to tell a bold face lie. i know i have a brother who is slightly older than me but if we were kids again and we were split up because of someone else's deeds and that was the only way i knew to get him back in my life i would do what ever i deemed necessary at the time. And like i said we dont know the whole story, she may have actually been trying to get her sister out of a terrible situation just like the one that got her there. and dont try to say that these defaults dont exist, they make the headlines everyday somewhere in america.

Posted by psychologistdmp (anonymous) on June 4, 2009 at 5:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Here's my thing travlr423. You're right in the fact that we do not know the whole story, but, whereas, you automatically show sympathy for the half-sister who broke the law, I find myself siding with the law that was put in place to protect that little girl. By the way if you were to "do whatever (you) deemed necessary at the time" you would be sitting in the same position this half-sister is sitting in, jail. If Ms. Rose was actually "trying to get her sister out of a terrible situation just like the one that got her there", she could have done something other than abducting this little girl. You make it sound as though she would have had no other choice. By the way, I never said that problems don't exist in the foster care systems across the U.S., but, like you said, you don't know that this was the case for this girl.

Posted by travlr423 (anonymous) on June 4, 2009 at 5:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Nov, i do agree with you on that one. you are absolutely correct my friend. why is it that the borders are so loosely controlled, why is it that banks and mortgage companies were allowed to engage in lending practices that exploded the housing market for several years that is the leading contributor of the Hispanics migrating here in the first place. the govt. knew the distant results of these lending schemes and allowed them to take place. but now it is all falling apart and that will ultimately lead to more unemployed people of which consist of whites, blacks and Hispanics, upper, middle and lower class who are facing great difficulties and losses resulting in a much higher crime rate and caution for personal safety. so yes now we are starting to get to who is the first blame and who should give accountability instead of being rewarded with stimulus checks for our grandchildren's grandchildren to have to repay. it is not the Hispanics or the common people who is to blame it is our govt. and corporate america who is to blame. but even the govt. was so far ahead of the american people and the greedy corporates that not only do they have more control over the people now they are taking control of the institutions and corporations that played right into their hands.

Posted by travlr423 (anonymous) on June 4, 2009 at 6:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

psycho, I never said the law should not be executed as it seemed to be properly done. I'm saying i would not want to make a judgement call on the character of the person who committed the crime because i dont know the circumstance surrounding the event. and i certainly dont want to make the suggestion that because there was a Hispanic involved and most likely the children may have some Hispanic descent as well as american that it should imply that all Hispanics are illegals and without regard to the law. and even though most of the Hispanics are here illegally most of them pretty much abide by the laws out side of being illegal. at least i assume they do. this eitghteen yr. old may be completely unstable, but then she may have felt like she had to do this to draw attention to a worse problem going on at the risk of her own freedom. kind of like if someone sells my child drugs ill kill them, if someone rapes my daughter i will track them down and kill them. will i go to jail most likely. with regrets no.

Posted by kwsrgraves (anonymous) on June 4, 2009 at 6:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ahh I love the bravado there travlr. If your child BUYS drugs, you have a problem, and, it is not the drug dealer. It might just be your child.

Posted by psychologistdmp (anonymous) on June 4, 2009 at 6:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Again, your assumption was that Ms. Rose's actions were warranted, so, you did "make a judgement call regarding the character of the person who committed the crime." "If someone sells my child drugs ill kill them." I'm glad more people don't take the same approach you allegedly would. Come on everyone, forget the laws, let's just deal out our own punishment.

Since you want to make assumptions, let me give it a try. What if this little girl finally was placed in a home that provided her with the safety and stability that she needed. What if her half-sister was mentally unstable, took her away from this loving home, and, if the police had not caught up with her, could have killed the girl. What if the guy Ms. Rose was with was a sex-offender. What if......

Posted by kwsrgraves (anonymous) on June 4, 2009 at 7:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Here's a thought, one cell phone call helps catch two fugitives and a kidnapped child from Podunk Virginia to Nodunk Alabama. And Osama bin Laden makes satellite calls from caves in a country about the size of Virgina. We haven't gone and captured him in the last 9 years. Ray Charles can see this problem. He's blind and DEAD! If we triangulated his position and found him living in a cave, (too much self respect to hide out in a trailer park), we would HAVE to capture him and bring our troops home. No more contracts to Haliburton. No Sub-contracts to Kellog, Brown, and Root. Just as it was with capturing Hussein hiding under a rug in a hole in the ground, we are now bringing troops home from a country that hid all those weapons of mass destruction so well, God can't find them. But, by golly we can catch a Martinez, Rose, (any relation DR?) and a Baker, (imagine that), in Baker County, Alabama. Does that mean Osama is so much smarter than all of our military, law enforcement, and intelligence personnel? Or, is money changing hands among countries, arms dealers, and contractors like Cheney's Haliburton, a more important issue than saving troops lives?

By the way, WELCOME BACK gkeys. Kind of missed your needling.

Posted by KatherineReece (anonymous) on June 4, 2009 at 7:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

gkeys... that's funny! I was about to mention that my father-in-law is from Columbus Ohio and he's the worst I've ever seen for prejudice. Thank goodness Jeff isn't like him or I would have never married him.

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on June 4, 2009 at 7:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

kw: I'm sure when BO finishes his world apology tour and has sucessfully deep-knee bowed to every Middle Eastern despot he can find, he'll get right on that. Kinda makes your spine tingle, doesn't it?

Posted by kwsrgraves (anonymous) on June 4, 2009 at 8:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What he has done in four months pales in comparison to the last 8 years. At least, he hasn't gotten drunk on the SAKE and puked on a prime minister. Or gotton drunk and choked on a pretzel in the White House. I have gotton drunk and puked on a hearsh at The Porch in Troy and choked on a Hamburger at the Supper Club in Auburn, so I can forgive those trespasses. But spending Billions chasing GHOSTS is inexcusable. I just find it funny we can find two dimwits in Chitlin county and we can't find George Bush's arch enemy in a country smaller than Alabama. Even YOU have to admit that part stinks. Obama and Bush aside. War is about MONEY! Nothing else. From the E-1 up to the O-9 it's ALL about God, Country, and Family. The one O-10 and the GS5,000s know better.

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on June 4, 2009 at 9:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Your man has already spent WWWAAAAYYYYY more money since January than we would spend in Iraq if we were to stay there another 50 years. And what do we have to show for it? The economy is in a shambles and getting worse, the government has invaded private enterprise, gone into the car business to keep them from going bankrupt and after force feeding them BILLIONS then forced them into bankrupcy and dictated the terms but wouldn't let them go bankrupt until they took the money. NICE.

I DO think it stinks that Obama, oops, I mean Osama (Ted Kennedy syndrom!), hasn't been caught and quartered by now. I guess the theory that Bush was keeping him alive for some reason was wrong? You liking the direction our country is heading in lately?

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on June 4, 2009 at 9:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I hear ya, Debby!

Posted by gkeys (anonymous) on June 4, 2009 at 9:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Needling = Resting :-)

I was rewarded with spending the day at Vanderbilt yesterday, oh joy, I want to go back and be poked with more needles!

Where is The Dude?

Posted by kwsrgraves (anonymous) on June 4, 2009 at 10:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It's looking up in my field and my retirement account. No complaints here. The Dow is up 2000 points since Jr left office after driving it down 8000 points in 5 months. Let's not forget the 800 billion George Bush gave to the banks in December so they could pay their employees in OTHER countries. Not to mention that administration never included military spending in the budget. They kept those numbers seperate and hidden for eight years. We will NEVER know how much they wasted to kill 4500 American soldiers. But if you think they did it to keep us safe, I have grossly overjudged your competence! ;)