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Teen charged with burglary
Published Thursday, August 27, 2009
A Clanton teenager faces charges of breaking into Southern Dance and Skate over the weekend.
Travis Lee Thomas, 18, has been charged with burglary and theft of property.
Southern Dance and Skate, which is located off U.S. 31, was broken into twice over the weekend. Police say evidence from the scene led them to Thomas.
Police Chief Brian Stilwell believes the arrest will also help close several recent home burglaries in the Cotton Mill and Lomax communities.
“This arrest is the first step in clearing several of these cases,” said Stilwell.
Thomas is cooperating with police, and items from both the skating rink and burglarized homes have been recovered, Stillwell said.
More arrests are expected soon.
“Additional warrants will be signed today, and I anticipate several more arrests in these cases,” Stilwell said.
Authorities believe teenagers and young adults are breaking into places to support drug habits.
“Most of our suspects are young adults and teenagers whom we believe are committing these crimes to be able to acquire illegal drugs,” Stilwell said.
The case remains under investigation. Anyone with information should contact Detective Freddie Mayfield at the Clanton Police Department at 755-1194.
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Posted by juswannabeheard (anonymous) on August 28, 2009 at 7:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)
good work police department.
Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on August 28, 2009 at 8:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Yeah, Rickey, there ARE better ways to get things. It's called W O R K! Getting a J O B and earning your O W N money and not taking someone else's stuff is a much better way. And by the way, an 18 year old theif/thug doesn't deserve to be called "Mr." He might eventually turn his life around and earn that title, but at this point about the best that he should be called is "hey you, theif".
Posted by kmc (anonymous) on August 28, 2009 at 8:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)
This guy is a convict in the making,and he deserves no mercy because he had none for others. I say bust a cap in him while you have the chance. He will do it again! Convict!!!!!!!!!
Posted by my2cents (anonymous) on August 28, 2009 at 9:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)
He broke into this place twice? For what? I certainly didn't realize this place would be so lucrative for a thief. And where is KW didn't he say something to the effect that these local break ins might not be drug related?
Posted by getbizi (anonymous) on August 28, 2009 at 9:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"And although I will not judge you".....................The heck with that! We have too many people sitting back allowing dishonesty ruin our country. If you steal, you are a thief. If you kill, you are a murderer. If you have an affair, you are an adulterer. People do stupid things. But call it like it is. We must hold each other accountable.
Posted by my2cents (anonymous) on August 28, 2009 at 11:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)
So was this not one of the "roberies?" Please do explain the difference for me.
Posted by theunknown (anonymous) on August 28, 2009 at 12:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Kids just have everything given to them these days, and if it's not given to them they will just take it. Is he out on bond or is he still being held? He will probably just do it again this weekend if he's not being held.
Posted by southernpride (anonymous) on August 28, 2009 at 1:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Robbery look up sections 13A-8-41, 42 & 43. These sections of the code identifies three three degrees of robbery.
Theft of property is Section13A-8-21. 13A-8 3, 4 & 5 distinquishes the degrees.
Burglary is 13A-7-5, 6, & 7.
Posted by gonefishin (anonymous) on August 28, 2009 at 6:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Actually, burglary is illegally entering a structure or residence and committing a crime within. It doesn't necessarily have to be theft, though it usually is. The charge of burglary will always accompany another charge.
Ex. burglary & theft, burgalry & rape, burgalry & criminal mischief, etc.
Posted by Clack (anonymous) on August 28, 2009 at 6:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)
my2cents, briefly described: robbery is when you take property from a person by force or compulsion. Burglary is breaking into a building with the intent to commit a crime inside. The difference in the two is the presence of a victim. We have had too many of both of these recently but with the help and support of the citizens and a little good luck, maybe we can get a handle on it.
Juswannabeheard, thanks for the positive assurance but we still have a long way to go. We are very dedicated to catching the “bad guys” and will continue to do so but the positive support makes a tough job more bearable. Thanks again to those of you who take a positive role in assisting Law Enforcement.
Posted by gonefishin (anonymous) on August 28, 2009 at 7:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)
not trying to get in a Title 13A debate Clack, but check out Burg I for the presence of a "victim" or "any person" ,which would then be a victim.
Posted by gonefishin (anonymous) on August 29, 2009 at 8:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Curious as to who those last 2 comments were meant for. If they were referring to me I'd be glad to respond.
Posted by holleratya (anonymous) on August 29, 2009 at 4:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Who cares what you call it robbery or burglary either way its W_R_O_N_G and they the (teen young adults) need to pay for their wrong doings. Being someone who was robbed-burglarized just a week ago I dont really care what the legal term is just that they have to pay for coming into MY home and taking MY things that I work hard for everyday. And as for our police department LOL you respond to a robbery-burglary without a finger print kit whats up with that? Not much of anything done about my robbery/burglary excet taking a few photos. I could have done that! Even when I went to the court house to get a copy of the police report for insurance they had a hard time with that . So what ever you call it like I said before its all just WRONG!!!!!!!
Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on August 29, 2009 at 6:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Oh, I'd say that he's already learned all that he really needs to know. That when you're robbed/burgularized around here, you're practically on your own. Lotsa luck. Unless they happen to stumble across a tee-total idiot like the fine young man in the picture. As far as I can tell, nothing has changed about that situation since I was last burgularized 25 years ago. Same crap, different sock. I did some investigating myself back then and found some of my own stuff. One item was in a pawn shop, and another I found in the Bulletin Board out of Montgomery. I even had to recover it myself. If it weren't for the need for a report for insurance purposes, then the LEO's could just save the paper. That incident is when I figured out that you have to protect yourself, that if you sit around and expect the cops to do it for you then you'll surely get disappointed. If you're lucky, that's all you'll get.
Posted by holleratya (anonymous) on August 29, 2009 at 10:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)
First thing I dont appreciate being called ignorant! I know the difference between real world and tv shows. Hope nothing like this ever happens to anyone because then you will know how it feels to be put on the back burner.
Posted by krm (anonymous) on August 29, 2009 at 10:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)
You people need serious psychiatric help an, 18 yr old kid made a horrible mistake. You people are arguing about legal terms, come on find something else to do like farmtown on facebook or how about this go out in the sunshine every once in a while and breathe.
Posted by ATC1962 (anonymous) on August 30, 2009 at 8:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)
In December of 08, our home was broken into and items taken in which we can never replace. The sheriff's department did a fine job in finally catching the thieves.They made the front page of the paper just like this 18 year old. Repeat offenders. They had been previously arrested on drug related charges and have been in and out of the system several times. Have they learned a lesson? Obviously not. It is time to stop petting these grown kids. At 18 you know the difference between right and wrong. One time is a mistake, multiple times ... they deserve no sunshine. Lock them up. Not for 90 days but long enough they no longer have an excuse to go back to drug use which they blame for their crimes. I think these thugs are petted to much. At 18 if they are too grown for parents to control and are repeat offenders, so be it. They are no longer children in my eyes. Maybe if he had to clean the skating rink with a tooth brush after every skate session or cut grass around or clean each house for the ones he broke into, he would not have time to think about drugs. Thank you to our officers who caught him. To the victims, I feel your pain.
Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on August 30, 2009 at 8:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)
krm: I was in the sunshine when I wrote my comments., although I wasn't arguing about legal terms. At the present, I'm enjoying coffee outside, in the fog, and commenting away! And BTW, a "horrible mistake" is when you over-cook a prime rib, robbing/burgularizing is a premeditated CRIME. It's not something that you just accidentally do, it's something that you think about, plan, and then DO! It's intentional, not just a "mistake". I wouldn't accuse you of needing "serious psychiatric care", but I would suggest that you brush up on the true meaning of certain phrases.
Posted by gonefishin (anonymous) on August 30, 2009 at 9:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"huge double breasted, bronze bellied, mattress thrasher"
how can you comment on the wild life when we should obviously be talking about an 18 thug that we can't do anything about.
What was the law they passed a couple years ago about protecting your property with deadly force? I'd hate to shoot an 18 year old kid for breaking into my house. But I don't know what other option you would have in that situation either. If you "hesitate for humanity" you and your family could end up like one of the horror stories on the news lately.
Posted by juswannabeheard (anonymous) on August 31, 2009 at 8:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)
We've recently experienced a theft at our home. Someone took several items. None of them had seriel numbers, (but that is a smart thing to do). We called law enforcement, they made a report, we turned it into our insurance company, and were reimbursed for the loss. Doesn't do alot for our sense of security, but it does help that the items taken were easily replacable.
My best to those of you that have suffered worse.
I know the article says that the PD believes these crimes to be drug related. My thought on this is that Thomas doesn't have that junkie look yet. Therefore my conclusion is that IF it is drug related then he is just getting started and this could be a chance for him to turn his life around and become a better person. If he goes in front of RJH he might get that chance. The last thing our prisons need is another youngster they can train to be repeat offenders and life long criminals.
Posted by gonefishin (anonymous) on August 31, 2009 at 8:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I love bird watching. Those are some very dangerous specimens in your area. No matter how bad they tempt you, do NOT try to catch one.
The fines are insane!
Posted by southernpride (anonymous) on August 31, 2009 at 10:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Okay, at the risk of annoying someone, I have to say what I saw Saturday that I consider stealing.
While at a business Saturday, a guy and his female companion were in line ahead of me. They asked the clerk if they accepted food stamps. After hearing yes, they paid for four cases of beer and a cooler with cash for a total of almost $96.00. The lady then said she wanted to put four bags of ice on her food stamp card so she could keep the beer cold.
To me tht was a theft upon us all.
Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on August 31, 2009 at 1:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)
You're right southernpride. But, unfortunately, it happens all the time. That's your entitlement mentality government at work at it's finest.
Posted by southernpride (anonymous) on August 31, 2009 at 1:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
And the government and liberals wonder why everyone with good sense hates the government!
Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on August 31, 2009 at 2:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Oh, they just think that we are ignorant, biggoted, or racist. The fact that we think that people should take care of themselves and not have someone else do it for them is just a ridiculous concept to them.
Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on August 31, 2009 at 2:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Calm down, kw. You've told us before that you're conservative socially but democrat politically. Doesn't add up to me, but I take you at your word. :)
Posted by kittycreek (anonymous) on August 31, 2009 at 2:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Just Curious, Graves,
I know you were being facetious, but, why did you say that Jesus must be a republican too?
Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on August 31, 2009 at 3:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)
kw: Did you light a candle for Ted (a woman's best friend)Kennedy? I thought the buzzards were going to start circling before they got his carcass in the ground.
Posted by kittycreek (anonymous) on August 31, 2009 at 3:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Sadly a lot of Republicans will say ANYTHING if they think it will get people on their side.
Some people will be angry about what I'm about to say. (I'm angry too) but, I AM SICK AND TIRED OF REPUBILICAN LIES!
I used to be more of an independant, but I have become SO disgusted with all the bull crap these past couple of years - I may never vote Republican again. (we'll see)
Posted by kittycreek (anonymous) on August 31, 2009 at 3:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)
BTW, November, They still haven't got Michael Jackson in the ground/vault yet. Talk about some circling buzzards!
Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on August 31, 2009 at 3:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)
But kitty, do the democrat lies not get you just as angry? Just curious.
Posted by kittycreek (anonymous) on August 31, 2009 at 3:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)
All the lies make me angry - there just seems to be more of them from the right lately-- The folks, who are perfectly happy with the way things are (rich) and do not want things to change for the rest of us (working class) are smearing it on pretty thick. For example, those scare tactic lies about health care reform.
Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on August 31, 2009 at 3:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Sometimes the truth is very scary. And uncomfortable. Bare in mind, I'm not a republican.
Posted by kittycreek (anonymous) on August 31, 2009 at 4:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)
It would be nice if I didn't have to do quite so much research just to find the truth. There are enough 'unknowns' out there to keep me pretty nervous!
Posted by getbizi (anonymous) on August 31, 2009 at 4:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"I AM SICK AND TIRED OF REPUBILICAN LIES!"????? You mean like..........
" I did not have sex with that woman!"
Posted by getbizi (anonymous) on August 31, 2009 at 5 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Despite their denials, influential Democratic Sens. Kent Conrad and Chris Dodd were told from the start they were getting VIP mortgage discounts from one of the nation’s largest lenders, the official who handled their loans has told Congress in secret testimony.
Posted by getbizi (anonymous) on August 31, 2009 at 5:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Liars come in all shapes and sizes and are not confined to a single political party.
Posted by kittycreek (anonymous) on August 31, 2009 at 5:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Wow!
That's brilliant, getbuzi.
Good job on finding a Democrat's lie -- and you only had to go back a decade are so, to get It.
How about the one about the Housing crisis that is currently upon us being the fault of the Clinton administration of nearly a decade ago?
Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on August 31, 2009 at 5:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)
This is very true, getbizi. While I am not a republican, I'll take republican lies over democrat ones any day. What I really wish we had is a CONSERVATIVE party. I'd join that one.
Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on August 31, 2009 at 5:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)
kitty: Research the "Community Reinvestment Act", and it's sponsers, and the associated actors involved with it after it's enactment and you will find out who deserves the lion's share of blame for the housing crisis. Hint: Barneyboy Frank will be noted often. Oh, and his boyfriend that worked for FannieMae, too. Or was it FreddyMac? Probably Fannie, they're in to those I hear. Of course, the fools that signed for more of a house than they could afford deserve the ultimate blame.
Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on August 31, 2009 at 6:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)
kw: Hate to tell you, but I'm afraid that your man's adminstration's lies are about to overwhelm you-- and everybody else. Unfortunately, I'm afraid the lies will be the least harmful aspects of this administration. We will see. Soon.
Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on August 31, 2009 at 6:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I didn't get a stimulus check.
Posted by KatherineReece (anonymous) on August 31, 2009 at 8:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The whole debate on health care has gone to complete and utter fear mongering. Death panels .... sheesh!
Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on August 31, 2009 at 9:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
OK. Lets just call it a panel of bureacrats that will decide if you get to have medcal care or not.
Posted by kittycreek (anonymous) on August 31, 2009 at 9:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I did a research paper on the subprime crisis in the spring of 2008. The Community Reinvestment Act was passed in 1977 and it required banks to lend in the low income neighborhoods, however, most of the subprime loans that were made were not even in the areas that fell under the Community reinvestment Act areas. A series of financial FUBARs occurred that are too complicated and lengthy to even try to explain in a short comment section, not to mention that it has nothing to do with the original article that -I admit I failed on even getting close to that subject in any of my comments....(sorry bout that, guys). A few of the Government mistakes that led to the FUBAR : The Federal Reserve Failed to supervise and regulate the banking and mortgage industry between 2003 – 2007; The SEC relaxed leverage rules…the list goes on and on. A nightmare on greedy street.
What about the gas prices that finished off an already stressed economy. I'm still trying to figure out why the gas went back down as soon as Bush was out of the picture???
Posted by kittycreek (anonymous) on August 31, 2009 at 9:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Oh Yeah, another major point - NON EXISTANT WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUTION - How many billions of dollars and human lives spent on that????
Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on September 1, 2009 at 8:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Well, kitty, the reason for oil prices going down when Bush was out of the picture is because the economy went into freefall with the explosion of government spending (the amount of which literally makes the cost of the Iraq war a drop in the bucket.) Less petroleum products are sold in a down economy, more supply, lower cost. Then they cut supply but it didn't offset the continued decline of the economy as the country watches as their goveenment continues to go deeper in debt than ANY nation in history, and as it goes toward socialism literally faster than has Venezuela.
As for WMD, saddam definitely had WMD and he used it. However, that shouldn't have been the reason for going to war. Bush had all the reason he needed without that. Not the least of which is the fact saddam had disobeyed every UN mandate that he had been given. I was, and am still, in favor of going to war in Iraq, I just thought then and now that we should have gone there, killed saddam and his entourage, destroyed the place to the extent that folks knew we were serious, then turn it over to them and explain that they now have a golden opportunity to make a better nation and life for themselves and if they screw it up, we'll be back.
Now on to some more lies. How 'bout this one. obama repeatedly said during the campaign that he would reduce taxes for most people. Now he knows that won't be possible. He said he had no intention of running a car company, the next week the government used a strong arm manueuver to take over GM and fire it's CEO. He all but SWORE that in his administration that there would be NO "pork" in any bill that he signed. The so called "stimulus" package is virtually nothing but pork. He said that it would be against the nation's best interest to prosecute the CIA agents and anyone in the previous administration for so called "torture" techniques that have been proven to have kept us safe thus far since 9-11, now it's full steam ahead toward prosecution. Would you like for me to continue?
Posted by southernpride (anonymous) on September 1, 2009 at 9:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Give me a break people!! Both parties are known for being self serving liars whose dishonesty goes to the core of their souls!!
I dislike republicans because they are all about big business and the affluent.
The democrats or spendocrats as I call them are all for creating social programs that keep people donw instead offering them help to get on their feet.
For those that want to take aim at my comments to tell everyone how good either party is, remember the old saying, "Put them both in a bag and shake them up and you can't tell any difference in them when they fall out!!
Posted by KatherineReece (anonymous) on September 1, 2009 at 9:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)
November -- what do you think you have now? If you have regular insurance you have a panel of bureaucrats who determine if you get health care or not. Case in point, my Mother asked the Doctors about getting my Father a liver transplant, the Doctors said that the insurance wouldn't approve it because of his age, he was 63 at the time. He died after that due to his failing liver. Insurance companies deny a lot of health care to a lot of people.
Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on September 1, 2009 at 10:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)
My insurance clearly states what they will or won't pay for. It's not subjective or arbitrary. My employer has several different plans and it's up to me to choose which is best, which I did. I highly suspect that there were other factors involved in the decision as to whether or not to perform a transplant or not, age is only one factor. That being said, how did we get to the point where people think that medical care is something that we are supposed to have supplied to us either free or very near it? Health care is just like any other consumable or service that we might need during our lifetime. And another thing, many like to say that there is 47 million un-insured people in this country. It has been proven that the real number is closer to 16 million, but, lets go with the big number. Why should we turn our entire health care system inside out because a mere 5% of our population doesn't have health insurance? Many of whom don't have insurance because they would rather spend their money on big cars or big houses instead of insurance. I have some co-workers in that category, and we get paid pretty well. How did we get to the point that people expect the government to take care of them from cradle to grave? Why do people think it's OK to take money away from someone who earned it and give it directly or through health care or some other entitlement to someone who didn't earn it?
southernpride: I agree with some of your post, that's why I'm an Independant and not a member of any particular party. There just isn't a conservative party out there for me. However, what is your problem with "big business" and "the affluent"? Do you have a case of wealth envy? And, just who is it that is supposed to employ most of us? The government? No, I don't think you'll find too many poor folks opening up factories or big stores or restaurants. You also won't find too many poor folks that pay enough taxes to pay for all the entitlements and social programs that have you peed off.
Posted by getbizi (anonymous) on September 1, 2009 at 10:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Thank God for the rich! They are the ones who sign our paychecks. I too am a conservative. This class warfare against the wealthy is ridiculous. Why dont we just run a Communist flag up the flag pole and eliminate the incentive to move beyond our current economic status. Or are we headed in that direction now??
Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on September 1, 2009 at 11:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)
It's pretty clear to me that the present administration hates capitalism and is at war with it. What better way to defeat capitalism than to create such a load of debt that our monetary system becomes worthless and the thing falls under it's own weight? Then they can build back in it's place a socialistic system that will make Hugo Chavez envious. That's how it works, you first make people dependant on the government for almost everything, i.e., "healthcare", then you have power over people when their subsistence comes from the government instead of their own hard work. It's happening right now, it's just as plain as daylight to see. Now sit back getbizi, get a cup of coffee and watch as I get thouroughly lambasted, even called names, as the liberals begin their assault and tell me how selfish I am for feeling this way, or maybe I'm greedy, or they may just settle with "ignorant". Who knows, but they'll come up with someway to try to justify taking from those that have earned what they have and give it those who didn't. I do believe, though, that the tide is about to change. But not before a major part of what is good about our country is swept out to sea.
Posted by southernpride (anonymous) on September 1, 2009 at 11:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)
November I don't have a problem with big business or the affluent. What I have is a problem with government giving welfare to either of the two. Just as I do with welfare for the so called poor.
Don't take every comment to the extreme my friends.
To me a government run health care system is just anohter word for more welfare. The government can not run the programs they now run with any efficiency. How in the heck do these people become so dim witted they think the governement can administer our health care without goofing that up like everything else they do??
Posted by getbizi (anonymous) on September 1, 2009 at 11:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Southernpride, you are right on point about the proposed health care changes extending an already bloated wefare system. I still take issue with any comments about the wealthy being propped up by the government. Paying out more than 40 percent of one's income toward taxes hardly seems fair for anyone, even if they are wealthy!
Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on September 1, 2009 at 11:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)
southernpride: Apparently we agree, I must have misread your meaning. Sorry 'bout that.
The bottom line is this: government needs to be minimalized. It needs to get back to doing what is specified in The Constitution and nothing more. PEOPLE need to make preparations to care of themselves, instead of waiting around for someone else to do it. You're right about the healthcare bebacle, too. That's a disaster in the making the like of which we have never seen before.
Posted by southernpride (anonymous) on September 1, 2009 at 1:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
November, what is the cure? As Thomas Jefferson stated, "you must overthrow the government everyf ew years to keep it honest". However, even if this extreme was used, what would we replace it with?
However, it is obvious the one we have does not do the will of the majority. Politicians have two goals, get elected and then get re-elected. Maybe a third, stick it to the citizens and make all the money they can while in office.
Posted by kittycreek (anonymous) on September 1, 2009 at 1:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)
You're certainly right about the politicians, southernpride.
Posted by kittycreek (anonymous) on September 1, 2009 at 2:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
November,
I hoping Obama will keep most of his promises. I'm just waiting to see.
Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on September 1, 2009 at 2:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)
kitty: We will see. Although, I will admit, there's several that I hope he doesn't keep.
southernpride: I don't know what the short term cure is, or even if there is one. Thomas Jefferson was right, although I don't think he was talking about a coup, but we have the opportunity overhtrow the government starting next year with the mid-term congressional election. The problem is that we will have to overthrow it with republicans that have already proven that they are only slightly less liberal than democrats. I have a growing hope and sense, though, that many, many people around this country have wised up and are paying attention and realize where this country is headed and that if it is to be saved that it will have to be soon, and that it will have to they (and us) who saves it. There MUST be an attitude change in this country. The entitlement attitude and mentality that believes that the government should give us our sustenance and even our health care has got to go. People have got to start taking responsibility for themselves instead of expecting someone else to do it for them. AND, people have got to get back to realizing that the government is supposed to be subordinate to us instead of us to it. And lastly, we need a president AND congress that has not only read the constitution, but understands it and believes in it and WILL NOT stray from it and will only do things that it allows them to do. We don't have that right now, and haven't had for a LONG time.
Posted by KatherineReece (anonymous) on September 1, 2009 at 5:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)
November - We were told his age was the factor. As for what insurance stating what they will or will not pay clearly that really isn't the case. I've heard of many cases of insurance approving a procedure and then canceling it. However, as has been stated many many times, if you are happy with your current coverage keep it! There isn't going to be anything that says you *have* to use anything else.
We must run with different crowds, I don't anyone who refuses health insurance because they want a new car or a bigger house. I know people who want health insurance but can't afford it. Like you, I don't think the government should take care of us from cradle to grave, when I could work I always did. I started working when I was 16 and only stopped because my health wouldn't let me continue. But I DO think that every citizen has the right to health care, especially children.
Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on September 1, 2009 at 5:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Katherine: I think one of the major fallacies of obama's plan is that you can keep your insurance plan if you like it. That's rediculous. Employers WON'T OFFER other plans if there is a government option. They'd be stupid to. Plus, soon there wouldn't even BE a private insurance option one the government eventually puts them out of business through unfair mandates and unfair competition.
Believe me, there is a LOT of people that could have insurance but they choose not to. Some think they won't ever need it, others just don't care. But I do agree with you that every CITIZEN has the right to health care. Not a constitutional right, but the right to it. As a matter of fact, they already have that right. I just don't think that I should have to pay for it for them. I've got all that I need to pay for just taking care of me and MY family.
Posted by kittycreek (anonymous) on September 1, 2009 at 7:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Actually,
The thing about keeping your insurance plan if your happy with it- might not be entirely true. If your insurance is provided (at least in part) by your employer and because of the government option....they might want to change, in which case yours would change too. Employer provided insurance is looked upon as part of your salary in lot of cases, so buying your own independently might not be financially feasible. Furthermore, since congress can't agree on ANYTHING and there are so many proposals being tossed around, it's hard to know what the outcome of this Health Care Reform might be.
I do believe that the intentions are good - but, who knows...?
Posted by kittycreek (anonymous) on September 1, 2009 at 8:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Oh, Please excuse my redundancy, Nov, I over looked the first part of your post.
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