Posted by kittycreek (anonymous) on April 5, 2009 at 10:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Most places are non smoking already. People who can not stand to be around it, do not have to go to the few places that allow it. Business owners should have the right to decide on whether to allow smoking in their businesses.

Posted by rmims404 (Roger Mims) on April 5, 2009 at 1:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

People who love to smoke can also stay away from places that are smoke free or either refrain from this nasty habit long enough to eat a meal. As a non smoker, I don't want to pay for a good meal just to have it ruined by a smoker at the next table. I can't even taste my food when a smoker is sucking on a tobacco stick near my table. As for business owners having the right to decide on allowing smoking or not, I think the vast majority of people do not smoke so the business owner could make more money by not allowing smoking.

Posted by smokedbacon (anonymous) on April 5, 2009 at 2:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Why do I hear such childish selfishness? Surely there are non smoking establishments that cater to specifically your desires and attitudes. I would assume you do not go into nude bars and suggest everyone puts on clothes would you? Are you going to scream ban nudist colony's as the sun can cause skin cancer, well ban swiming pools while your at it! Demand immigrant farm workers done a 8' diameter minimum sun protective umbrella while in the fields, I mean you want to protect them from skin cancer right?
Rodger ever thought that some businesses cater to smokers that make a profit and hire employees that know full well about cigarette smoke as a means to make a living? Why is it required for a fair level playing field? Hey anti smokers big tobacco is banned froim fighting your multi million dollars ban efforts, can't I and a few others get equal funding to at least be heard? Oh I forgot you do not want to hear minorities, only when you can use them for anti smoking bans then reject their desires for gay marriage equal employment rights and others that desire the same. That's the ability to act like a adult and have self responsibility, something anti smokers lack in genetic make up I believe.

Posted by kwsrgraves (anonymous) on April 5, 2009 at 3:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Okaaaaaay....that was hardly a profound statement. Sounded more like a proponent of the methodone clinic, while he/she was still on the nod. As for nudity establishments those are private entities with zero exposure except for the patrons who choose to waste their money. You don't go to McDonalds and expect a lap dance. I don't want to pay $100.00 for a meal in a nice restaurant for my wife and me, only to puke my meal in the lap of a smoker. Although this HAS happened twice. And yes, I did immensely enjoy leaving chunks of smoked salmon in his ashtray!

Posted by kwsrgraves (anonymous) on April 5, 2009 at 3:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

DR, before you get torqued, that was for the smoked pig.

Posted by kybriar (anonymous) on April 5, 2009 at 4:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

kwsrgraves , you appear to not have grown up yet, your claimed behavior is appalling and I as an owner would bar you from ever entering my privately owned business ever again. Good business people simply do not need your type, your behavior is a bad influence on children whom parents would see that you never are near.

Speaking of clinics, I would suggest to get treatment at one because the private property business owners did not invest their own money time and labor to provide a mental clinic for you.

You do have the capacity to realize that you are *NOT* the owner don't you...well, maybe you are too far gone to realize anything, after all, you act like a child by your own account

Posted by kybriar (anonymous) on April 5, 2009 at 4:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

kwsrgraves , you appear to not have grown up yet, your claimed behavior is appalling and I as an owner would bar you from ever entering my privately owned business ever again. Good business people simply do not need your type, your behavior is a bad influence on children whom parents would see that you never are near.

Speaking of clinics, I would suggest to get treatment at one because the private property business owners did not inveest their own money time and labor to provide a mental clinic for you.

You do have the capacity to realize that you are *NOT* the owner don't you...well, maybe you are too far gone to realize anything, after all, you act like a child by your own account

Posted by kybriar (anonymous) on April 5, 2009 at 4:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by kwsrgraves (anonymous) on April 5, 2009 at 3:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

DR, before you get torqued, that was for the smoked pig.

kwsrgraves, I do believe he is smokedbacon but hey, just more childish behavior from you.

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on April 5, 2009 at 4:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

kw: That was a good one! When I read smoking pigs' suggestion that smokers are showing more responsibility than nonsmokers I laughed until I almost cried. That was rich! And Debby, I think that if all smokers were to quit, we would very soon save enough money on government supplied health care, ie., medicare and medicaid, to MORE than pay for the prison system. So, feel free to quit at any time. Until then, thank you for paying the new tax on cigarettes. And thanks for eating in the stinky parts of the restaurants. We would appreciate it, though, if y'all would stay out of the doorways while smoking, we shouldn't have to walk through it to get inside a building. It's only right that you smokers do more to help pay for all those oxygen tanks for middle-aged and older smokers that you see hobbling around all over the place. (I know, I know, not all people with an oxygen tank are/were smokers.)

Posted by kwsrgraves (anonymous) on April 5, 2009 at 4:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You are right KY, I refuse to grow up, by my own accord. I simply stated that cigarette smoke literally makes me throw up. I have done so in a couple of restaurants. And will do so in yours if someone is blowing smoke in my face while I am eating. If you will enlighten me as to which restaurant you own I will GLADLY oblige you by NEVER entering it.

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on April 5, 2009 at 4:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Is there an echo in here? kybriar, before kwsrgraves gets a chance to point out the ridiculous absurdity of your post, why don't you take a few minutes, and a thesaurus, and try to come up with a coherent comment. At the very least, how about translating your post for us, it made no sense. Even after repeatedly reading the repeated one.

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on April 5, 2009 at 4:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well, he beat me to it.
kybriar: Let us ALL know which retaurant you own and we'll help you out by staying away by the drove.

Posted by kwsrgraves (anonymous) on April 5, 2009 at 4:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey November, they don't have a smoking section at the Bonefish Grill. Nor Ruth's Chris Steakhouse. The Brew Pub doesn't either. Should be home in 4 wks, I owe you one. Ever notice the lower income areas have higher numbers of smokers? Think that may have something to do with education and learned behavior? Or is it just confined to Clanton? The cigar smokers seem to smoke more from a social coolness factor than a nicotine addictive subliminal need to suck on a phallic symbol. Just some childish observations I've noticed in 13 foreign countries and Clanton.

Posted by kybriar (anonymous) on April 5, 2009 at 4:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Y'all just too sweet, I bet you are anti smokers who beg your government to declare you to stupid to think for yourself. you are not mentally capable of deciding whether to enter or not enter a privately owned business whose owner chooses to permit smoking.

You have my deepest sympathy

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on April 5, 2009 at 5:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ky: Huh?
By smoking, you're obviously trying to kill yourself. There are many less expensive and more efficient ways to do it that wouldn't adversely affect innocent people arround you.

As for mental capability, I'm not sure that someone who intentionally uses a product which when used as recommended will more than likely eventually kill you, should be bringing that topic up. Save the sympathy for yourself. You'll need it when they have to cut your voice box out. Or a lung or two.

Posted by kwsrgraves (anonymous) on April 5, 2009 at 5:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

KY jelly brain, you sound as though you are a smoker. Just a guess. And those incoherent posts you are leaving are leading us to believe you dropped out of school somewhere around kindergarten. You have a right as we do to express your opinion on the subject matter, if you have one. Again please tell me your business so those who like to smoke can visit you. Those of us who do not, won't have to waste your time. As for killing yourself with cigarettes, use a bullet. It's messy up front, but in the long run, trust me, it's not near as messy. Coughing up blood, hair falling out, hole in the throat, yellow fingernails, eyes bulging out as you gag for air. Then in the last few hours of life, it's one breath every 2 minutes as all body functions are uncontrolled, due to the morphine drip. As that last gutteral breath is exhaled, the family has to make arrangements, and figure out how to pay medical bills, hospice, and the embalmers. Whereas, one bullet, a shopvac, and you only have to pay the funeral home and backhoe operator. Just my opinion.

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on April 5, 2009 at 5:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

kw: Any of those smoke-free places sounds good to me. I'll look forward to it!

By the way, no mention has been made of the fire dangers associated with setting fire to a combustable and sucking on it. Living in hotels as I do on my job, I have been in two within the last three years that were set on fire, in the middle of the night, by some fool and a cigarette. I was able to have a few words with one of them before the Fire Marshal took him away. Both hotels were non-smoking throughout, at least they were supposed to be.

Posted by kwsrgraves (anonymous) on April 5, 2009 at 5:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I had that same experience on Superbowl Sunday last year. Three brain dead pimp wannabes set the second floor of our hotel on fire right before kickoff. Spent the first half in the cab of my pickup watching the firetrucks, firefighters, and the three stooges still smoking in the rain. And in my former line of work, I have seen bodies burned up from falling asleep with a lit cigarette. Guess that little cancer stick was really important. But, look at it this way, that 63¢ additional tax now has smokers paying $1.03 per pack to support medicare/medicaide. Man! I'm glad I don't have that tax burden!

Posted by winterrose (anonymous) on April 5, 2009 at 7:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I never have commented on any others who comment on here regulary but, These comments from KW and November disgust me.
I am a smoker but not a drop out. I finished college hold a nursing degree and work 40+ hrs a week. I have my own insurance.Not medicaid or medicare.
KW you especially sound like a bully. The comment to intentionally throw up in someones food is disgusting. Makes me think you might be the under educated one. The mentality of a 5yr. old. Or the bullet to the head you are one sick Chilton County man. Although you make up half the population of Chilton County a BULLY' I do think when you are out and meet your match you run like a scared chicken. Grow up and try to work for a living,I work and can't figure out how you have so much time on the PC or whatever.is that why their are accidents at your place of employment? You can say multi tasking I don't believe a word of it.

Posted by PhilBurnette (anonymous) on April 5, 2009 at 7:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

graves...I am going to defend you here, sit back and enjoy...it is brief, can't have you getting too used to it...ha ha

winterrose...Mr. Graves once shared here of standing toe to toe with me. I am quite a large individual. He is not a coward and does NOT "run like a scared chicken".

If I took literally all he posts I would probably be first in line to beat some manners into him, but I have learned he is trying to inject some levity into the proceedings. Relax and enjoy it.

Posted by gonefishen (anonymous) on April 5, 2009 at 7:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

kybriar, you fell for it hook line and sinker. Goaded into a fight that was lost before the first punch was thrown. You where lucky though, only 2 of the 4 intellectual predators which stalk this site where involved in this attack. Ha Ha Ha

Posted by kwsrgraves (anonymous) on April 5, 2009 at 7:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I did not say intentionally throw up. Cigarette smoke does that to me when I am eating. I use my cell phone to comment. I work various shifts on different projects. Rotating off days, so forth. All but one death in the job place were Hispanics from OTHER trades. All fell to their deaths from lack of following OSHA rules. I am no bully. My name is STEVEN R. GRAVES and I have not met a person on this planet who intimidates me. I will say these same things to you face to face at church. I have no use for people who intentionally sit and blow smoke in a restaurant after one has politely asked them not to do so. I have no use for drug ABUSERS, nor anyone who claims a mental illness such as depression or anxiety attacks. That's me that's my opinion and if you don't like it, tough. I became an Army Officer to serve my state and country. To protect freedoms such as free speech, including my own. To lead troops and not put up with whiney crap. And I don't put up with whimpering whining garbage. If I see a problem, I fix it. And if I can manage the ability to throw up on you while you INTENTIONALLY ruin my meal, I would be GLAD to do so. I am no bully. I have been toe to toe and at gunpoint with men/women a lot meaner than you. Fear was not an option. Restraint was. And I have more self restraint than most. Less than some. When I was in college I had a friend try to force me to smoke a cigarette at a fraternity party one night. I put it out on his shirt pocket of his new white Preswick & Moore shirt. No apology and he never tried that crap again. As my college daughter says, "that's how I roll."

Posted by steve42 (anonymous) on April 5, 2009 at 7:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Actually, I think kybriar can boast at having caught kw and november...

After all, he was the one who was trolling.

Guys, I think you fell victim to the infamous Google Alert crowd:

http://news.google.com/news?pz=1&ned...

Odds are, we won't see kybriar again. I suspect he's a Kentuckian who smokes a briar pipe and he'll be off to fight another day.

Posted by kwsrgraves (anonymous) on April 5, 2009 at 8 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks Phil, I can't get used to it. Doesn't happen often. LOL

Posted by kwsrgraves (anonymous) on April 5, 2009 at 8:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree steve. I saw that the other day. Fell victim, no. Had fun yes. I enjoy torquing the dim witted.

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on April 5, 2009 at 8:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

winterrose: If you didn't like what I wrote, you SURE wouldn't have like what I self-censored. If, as a trained nurse, you don't have any better judgement than to smoke, then I surely wouldn't want to be under your care. Certainly in your career you should have seen someone die from emhysema or lung cancer, and given that and your professional training you would still smoke, well, it just doesn't say much for you. Now, don't get me wrong, I'll defend your right to kill yourself, I just don't want to be affected by the secondary effects of it. If I thought The Advertiser would permit it, I would REALLY disgust you. Rather than lash out at me and Mr. Graves, why don't you give us your best professional shot at defending the health benefits of smoking?

Steve42: I hear your point, but on the outside chance that the Johnnie-come-latelies hang around long enough to read their own posts, I figured I'd get a punch or two in. They are welcome to punch back if they wish. But if they're here to defend smoking, they'll lose that fight. It's hard to do much fighting while pulling around an oxygen tank. :P

Posted by PhilBurnette (anonymous) on April 5, 2009 at 10:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Steven...perhaps I will do it a bit more often just to throw you curve balls. I know you can't hit a good curve anyway.

Posted by kwsrgraves (anonymous) on April 5, 2009 at 10:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ahhh. Perhaps you remember me better than you knew. LOL

Posted by THORSBYishome (anonymous) on April 5, 2009 at 11:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

There ARE courteousy smokers out here. My dad can't breath smoke, no way I'd let anyone smoke around him. If the smoke is bothering you just ask them to put it out. If I were asked I would put it out.

Smoking is an aweful, nasty, habit and YES I do smoke for now. But my pet-peeve is going into chuck-e-cheese restaurant where you CANNOT smoke because it's a kids place (which I understand totally) but they put a picture of beer down at a table next to us with ONE adult and all those kids who's driving home? The Adult drinking the BEER. I think they should also ban beer from chuck-e=cheeses too. Don't subject those kids to smoke or ALCOHOL. Because the parent drinks that picture of beer and gets right up and leaves DRIVING with those children. THAT is just NOT RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!

Be a courteousy smoker, think about others, and do it far enough away from doorways and people so they don't have to breathe it. Respect those that don't smoke or can't be around it.

But don't just bash all the smokers and stereo-type them. We are not all alike, I smoke but I try to think of others feelings and health. When we eat we sit in non-smoking.

The tax on the cigs are just crazy....alcohol is next .... please tax toilet paper, something everyone uses. Taxes won't make everyone quit it will just make some steal to smoke.

Don't know where all these folks (new posters) are coming from but some are nutz, some have some good points, and some should not be anywhere the keyboard because they just don't make any sense.

Just my two cents

Posted by kwsrgraves (anonymous) on April 5, 2009 at 11:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thorsby, I understand your point. I have a very close family member who smokes. She NEVER has lit a cigarette around me. She knows my stance on the subject and respects my position. You could say it was her dirty little secret until I started finding cigarette butts stuck in the shrubs while trimming them. I mean, what kind of person gives cigarettes to bushes? That's just sick! LOL Seriously, in ten years I have seen her with a cigarette once. And that's because I was sneaking out around the house to scare her in the dark. I got the surprise. But, it's those in restaurants that refuse to put one out, then get beligerant, that are really disgusting. As a non-smoker, I can smell the stench of one sitting at a traffic light, three cars back. You have the windows down for fresh air, you have to roll them up and turn the air on, only to have it trapped in your vehicle. Now THAT is grounds for road rage!

Posted by rmims404 (Roger Mims) on April 6, 2009 at 10:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Steven Graves, in total agreement with you on this subject. I think smoked bacon needs to find him a big grill pit, obtain about 50 pounds of fresh tobacco and smoke a few briskets above all that nicotine smoke and eat to his hearts content. I fail to see what smoking or not has to do with nudie bars, swimming pools or gay marriage. It does have to do with polluting the air that others have to breathe. Graves, I also have a close family member that smokes. I built a new house back in 1975 and when we got it ready to live in this person came to see my house and I had to ask him to leave his pipe outside. This made him mad, but we got past it. Ever been in a house and smelled that stench of smoke in the curtains and all the bedding and sofas? Whew, that would gag a maggot. I think if everyone took a good dose of common sense it would solve many problems.

Posted by nonexpert (anonymous) on April 6, 2009 at 10:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

OK!! I wasn't going to get in on this one, I have strong feelngs on this issue, so thought it best to stay out of it. We moved back to Chilton County a few years ago from Central Forida where I grew up. Florida passed a smoking ban several years ago and the same garbage we're seeing here was spouted then. None of it is true. When all restaurants are on the same playing field none suffer.
I have chronic bronchitis, never smoked in my life, and am VERY allergic to cigarette smoke. So you smokers can smoke your hearts and lungs out, literally, it's your right, but please don't pollute my clean air I really need it.

Posted by PhilBurnette (anonymous) on April 6, 2009 at 10:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Unfortunately, Roger, many are lacking in that very department as evidenced by some of the knee jerk comments posted here. It is almost as if they do not even read the entire post or article to which they are responding...hmm, maybe I have hit upon the problem?

Posted by kittycreek (anonymous) on April 6, 2009 at 12:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well, as a smoker, even I, get pretty disgusted with other smokers for trashing everything with butts. We have an outside smoking area at work with ash trays, garbage cans and benches, but, people still throw the things on the ground and snub them out on the benches. I don't blame establishments for not allowing smoking, However, I do think that business owners should have the right to choose.

Posted by kittycreek (anonymous) on April 6, 2009 at 12:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Tee-Hee! I got the first and possibly the last word in! ♦♦♦♦

Posted by PlainJane05 (anonymous) on April 6, 2009 at 1:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Businesses shoud have their choice of whether or not they want to allow smokers just as I have the choice to eat there or not. I could care LESS if an establishment is smoking or non as long as there are separate sections and I don't have Charlie the Chainsmoker sitting next to me. If you dont want a smoking section in the restaurant where you're eating-don't go there. Several members of my family and a few of my friends smoke and when we all go out I dont want to have them face a firing squad if they light a cigarette. As long as the smokers are courteous and dont litter or blow the smoke in my face I have no problem with them. Everyone has a habit that offends someone at some point, especially now.

Posted by nonexpert (anonymous) on April 6, 2009 at 1:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

WOW!!! and I thought termites were the only thing that crawled out of the woodwork this time of year.

Posted by kwsrgraves (anonymous) on April 6, 2009 at 2:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Welcome to the United States of the Offended. DR, I own the house! If a family member comes over, they should respect that. Just as if I come to your house, walk in, take off my clothes, turn the TV on to what I want and do the AL Bundy move with my hand in my shorts, you would not appreciate it. And I do not go into restaurants and offend other patrons as many smokers do. The only way I might offend you is, my wife and I pick a couple, usually elderly, and buy their dinner. They are always strangers. That's the extent of our annoying behavior. But, we NEVER buy smokers dinner. Cell phone users are the next pet peeve. The ones that cannot walk and talk at the same time. The waddling moron with a phone in the ear that is oblivious to the world around them. Those are the rude ones. I just point out their rude behavior in my usual non-charming, tactless, velvet brick behavior. You might not always like what I say, but you will always know my stance.

Posted by nannyof4 (anonymous) on April 6, 2009 at 2:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

There is no sense in keeping on about this, just like elbows and a..holes everybody has one or many. Time to stop arguing, nobody will ever win this one. Your opinon against their opinion and on and on. Stop before someones feelings get hurt. And that is my opinon.

Posted by PlainJane05 (anonymous) on April 6, 2009 at 3:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I wasn't born with feelings...but I agree-this dead horse has had the crap kicked out of it enough for one day.

Posted by kwsrgraves (anonymous) on April 6, 2009 at 3:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Can anyone give me the medical benefits of smoking? Can you give me the positive side of a stinking house, clothes, or car? The positive of dirty, yellow fingerernails, yellow teeth, cigarette breath? The only benefit I see is, smokers are paying $1.03 in extra taxes per pack to fund Barack Obama's healthcare initiatives. That's money I will NEVER have to spend. Guess that's kind of a savings plan for the tracheotomy, oxygen bottle, and chemotherapy.

Posted by kwsrgraves (anonymous) on April 6, 2009 at 5:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Gotcha! LOL!

Posted by nannyof4 (anonymous) on April 6, 2009 at 9:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hate to say it but it sounds like a bunch of kids Children, children. Lets be nice, lets all get along, or you will have to go home and no tv and if you aren't good you won't get any dessert after supper. Tsk Tsk

Posted by kwsrgraves (anonymous) on April 6, 2009 at 9:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

My mother used to make me eat dessert last. Now I eat it first! That way my wife can't threaten me with no dessert. :)

Posted by devilwoman (anonymous) on April 6, 2009 at 10:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Plain Jane: A smoking section in a public building is equivalent to a peeing section in a swimming pool.

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on April 6, 2009 at 10:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't care who you are, that's funny right there!!!

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on April 6, 2009 at 10:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

And TRUE!!!

Posted by gonefishen (anonymous) on April 6, 2009 at 10:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

That was funny. But now its time for the truth- A show of hands from those who have never peed in the pool? Had to brake the monotony somehow.

Posted by romans1 (anonymous) on April 6, 2009 at 10:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Government says smoking is wrong
Doctors say smoking is wrong
Preachers should say then that this is wrong, begining with the bunch of deacons and church members that still smoke.
So what is wrong with all smokers than don't ge it?

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on April 6, 2009 at 11:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It doesn't matter to me what the government or preachers think. And common sense ought to negate the need for a doctor to condemn smoking. However, I support the right of people to smoke, as long as they don't do it in public places where non-smokers would have a hard time staying out of the line of fire. Smoking is not a necessary activity, but breathing is.

gonefishen: Ever heard of anybody dying from second hand peeing? :)

Posted by gonefishen (anonymous) on April 6, 2009 at 11:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

HA HA LMAO !!!

Posted by MichaelJMcFadden (anonymous) on April 6, 2009 at 11:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

devilwoman wrote, "A smoking section in a public building is equivalent to a peeing section in a swimming pool."

Devilwoman, whether you know it or not, you're simply repeating a well-crafted soundbite that's been spread and repeated by antismoking organizations since the 1980s. And like most antismoking sound bites it sounds good ... but it's essentially a lie.

Why is it a lie? Simple: a decent bar/restaurant type "public building" setting that allows smoking has about 12 air changes per hour. That ends up being about 50,000 per year.

50,000 air changes per year vs. about 1 water change per year for the pool.

Can you see the difference? Equating the two is essentially a lie. You can see more examples of Antismokers' lies at www.TheTruthIsALie.com

Michael J. McFadden
Author of "Dissecting Antismokers' Brains"

Posted by steve42 (anonymous) on April 6, 2009 at 11:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

MicheaelJMcFadden... that's a mighty fine news alert you've got configured. Tell us, was it the word "anti-smoking" that clued you in to this article, or do you actually have an alert for the phrase "peeing section"?

Posted by MichaelJMcFadden (anonymous) on April 6, 2009 at 11:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

kwsr, you wrote, "smokers are paying $1.03 in extra taxes per pack to fund Barack Obama's healthcare initiatives. That's money I will NEVER have to spend."

Heh.... kw, you're in for a great disappointment. Obama's SCHIP program depends on no present smokers quitting and 20 million new smokers starting despite the higher prices. It also depends on no significant black market or expenditures to control the black market - a rather doubtful proposition since there's *already* been a one million dollar warehouse heist of cigarettes.

kw, you'll also be paying for increased security costs for your convenience store purchases, jails and police to fight the above-mentioned black market, and ultimately the price of terrorism as the increased organized crime money funds another 9-11.

The smokers might be paying right now, but in a year or two you'll very likely be paying *far* more for this tax than you realize.

Of course you'll *also* be paying through the nose for the smoking ban. Read the economics section of the Stiletto at:

http://encyclopedia.smokersclub.com/257....

to see just how much a successful ban will end up costing you. And if you believe the Antismokers' claims that bans are "cost-free" ask them why they don't back those claims up with a legally enforceable guarantee to cover the losses they claim won't exist. After all, it would make it lot easier for them to get the bans passed, right? So if they're telling the truth it should be a natural.

If they're telling the truth. Which of course they're not.

Michael J. McFadden
Author of "Dissecting Antismokers' Brains"

Posted by MichaelJMcFadden (anonymous) on April 6, 2009 at 11:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Steve, if you look around the internet with Google you'll find that antismoking groups and people have used that argument in virtually every city in the country where they've tried to pass bans. As for finding the article, I think "smoking ban" works.

- MJM

Posted by my5cents (anonymous) on April 7, 2009 at 12:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I can't believe the things I'm reading on here. The first question I have is, are you all adults? Second question is, don't you all know that we live in the United States? I can understand not allowing smoking in places that are not privately owned, but I do not understand how anyone thinks they have the right to DICTATE how a business owner (who invests their own money) runs their business. It is their profit or loss that is at stake, not yours. The rights we have is to patronize an establishment or not. I have met many courteous smokers and some rude ones too, I just avoid the rude ones. But there is one thing that really bugs me even worse than all this and that is the fact that many people out there (probably some of you on both sides of this subject) that wear perfume/cologne and thinks everyone wants to smell you. Smoke in an open area will disappear after awhile but perfume/cologne will chase you down , crawl up your nostrils, makes you cough and stay there forever until you develop such a migraine headache or have an asthma attack. We maybe should ban that too. The whole point is that we all have pet peeves about something, but we don't have to attack, call people names, and makes down rights nasty comments to air our views. Those type of intimidators( ie: Mr Graves) only portrays themselves as bullies and are not respected and maybe that's why he gets repaid the rudeness. One final statement, if some of you go to church, I know one said he did, you may want to go and talk to someone about your behavior here, preferably GOD!

Posted by MichaelJMcFadden (anonymous) on April 7, 2009 at 12:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

kwsr, you wrote, "smokers are paying $1.03 in extra taxes per pack to fund Barack Obama's healthcare initiatives. That's money I will NEVER have to spend."

Heh.... kw, you're in for a great disappointment. Obama's SCHIP program depends on no present smokers quitting and 20 million new smokers starting despite the higher prices. It also depends on no significant black market or expenditures to control the black market - a rather doubtful proposition since there's *already* been a one million dollar warehouse heist of cigarettes.

kw, you'll also be paying for increased security costs for your convenience store purchases, jails and police to fight the above-mentioned black market, and ultimately the price of terrorism as the increased organized crime money funds another 9-11.

The smokers might be paying right now, but in a year or two you'll very likely be paying *far* more for this tax than you realize.

Of course you'll *also* be paying through the nose for the smoking ban. Read the economics section of the Stiletto at:

http://encyclopedia.smokersclub.com/257....

to see just how much a successful ban will end up costing you. And if you believe the Antismokers' claims that bans are "cost-free" ask them why they don't back those claims up with a legally enforceable guarantee to cover the losses they claim won't exist. After all, it would make it lot easier for them to get the bans passed, right? So if they're telling the truth it should be a natural.

If they're telling the truth. Which of course they know they're not.

Michael J. McFadden
Author of "Dissecting Antismokers' Brains"

Posted by MichaelJMcFadden (anonymous) on April 7, 2009 at 12:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

{Sorry about the accidental reposting. I've asked for it to be removed.} - MJM

Posted by kittycreek (anonymous) on April 7, 2009 at 8:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

So much for that last word idea!

These comment blogs are sooo much fun!!!!

Posted by njones (anonymous) on April 7, 2009 at 10:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Debbyrose: Yes you DO had a RIGHT to smoke, but with all "rights' come:
"RESPONSIBILITIES". I hate to break it to you, but you cannot scream for one and ignore the other.

Your responsibility would be to make sure you're in an area AWAY from non-smokers.
I'm glad you enjoy your habit, but when your kids have to watch you die a slow and painful death because of it, maybe you'd wish you had quit years ago.
I've buried both my dad and father-in-law because of the effects of smoking..it's not a pretty sight at all

Posted by kwsrgraves (anonymous) on April 7, 2009 at 10:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Michael McFadden, you obviously believe that crap you posted. 50,000 air exchanges? Just how many cubic feet per minute of air does the average air handler move? How many times does it cycle per hour? Not enough to have a TOTAL volume change of air in an average 3,000 sq ft building of 50,000 times. As for volume exchange of an average private pool, 8 hours a day with a 2hp motor, pumping the average of 25,000 gallons, creates a complete sterilization and filteration. Chlorine or salination sterilizes. A 300 lb silica tank filters water. Air on the otherhand is filtered through a paper fiber filter. Air/smoke molecules attach to clothing, tapestries, and fiberglass ceiling tiles. If you don't believe that look at the distribution vents and the ceiling around them in a smoking establishment. Then take a water sample from a properly maintained pool and test it for bacteria. You will find your argument is crap. I work in an industry where I work on many systems such as the aforementioned. Water transfer, sterilization, and filteration. I work on air handlers in public buildings. I prefer the water filtration systems. And you are welcome to come to my house to smoke your cigarettes at the bottom of my pool. I'll provide the cinder blocks to help you stay at the bottom of the deep end.

Posted by nannyof4 (anonymous) on April 7, 2009 at 10:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Man Mr. Graves you certainly have a thing about people dying. Glad I don't know you so you don't get to wish that on me. Whats with you, anyway?

Posted by KatherineReece (anonymous) on April 7, 2009 at 10:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

First I will confess I am an former smoker.

Yes, people who smoke do reek, but you don't notice it because you are used to the smell. After I quit and my sense of smell returned to normal I would be knocked down by the smell on other people. I asked my husband (who has never smoked) why he didn't tell me that I smelled so bad. His answer should be obvious to any married man.

My father was a exceptional man. He was UDT in the Navy during WWII and Korea (some of you old timers may know what the UDT was but for others they were the precursors of the SEAL teams). He was physically strong and fit most of his life. But he smoked and he couldn't quit. He died at 63. WAY too young. There are grandchildren and great-grandchildren who have been denied knowing this wonderful man. It happened over 10 years ago and I still cry when I think of losing him. He was the best Daddy a girl could ever want and he's gone.

My brother smoked, and had a stroke at the ripe old age of 42. He's now disabled.

I won't address the smoking in businesses (although I know its the topic) but rather beg those of you who still smoke to quit.

Posted by kwsrgraves (anonymous) on April 7, 2009 at 11:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Nanny, right now, my bottle of club soda and pickup truck are with me. I am exploring Morman Pass. Saw two wild burros and a herd of wild mustangs. Still some deep snow at the top. And NO people. Kind of warm down in the "yucca forest" but it's nice up here. Little muddy in the transitional canyons up to the pass. And NO cigarette smoke! My thing about death is, if you want to kill yourself with cigarettes, drug ABUSE, or alcoholism, do it quick. I have no use for the obviously self destructive behavior displayed with those vices. You might not agree or like it. But you know how I feel. Not that it matters much. I just don't understand the cruelty of making family members, children, friends and total strangers suffer along with pathetic self indulgence of a slow suicide. Same goes with depression and anxiety. I have no pity for that garbage.

Posted by powerlineman (anonymous) on April 7, 2009 at 12:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

kw the air is so much cleaner, no sounds other then nature,the true wonders of the world.then when you go back toward town then you see the smog

Posted by kwsrgraves (anonymous) on April 7, 2009 at 12:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes. It's a brown haze that covers the whole valley. Funny thing, you can't tell it's in the air. It's not like home where the water molecules of humidity create a haze you can see from the ground. Here it is pure smog but it looks clear with only 8% humidity. Of course 120° feels comfortable. You don't sweat. At the end of the day, there aren't salt rings on your clothing like at home. And I've only seen lightening once since Dec of 07. However the swimming pools are full of bikinis year round. Even on 60° days, there are always people around and in the pools. Makes night shift even more appealing. And you hardly ever see a cigarette smoker around the pools. Those are usually the really elderly sports bettors filling out their horse and dog racing tickets. They congregate under the umbrellas chain smoking, reading daily racing programs, and oblivious to the beauty around them.

Posted by powerlineman (anonymous) on April 7, 2009 at 12:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

roswell was the same way

Posted by eagle1 (anonymous) on April 7, 2009 at 1:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey vamp, McFad won't know the difference between Uranus and a Heinlich maneuver after reading that one.

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Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on April 7, 2009 at 3:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

kw: Before you respond to this one, just to make it fair, re-arrange all the keys on your PDA and type in the dark standing on your head. You'll still blow this one out of the water! :P

Posted by JanineS22 (Jan Smith) on April 7, 2009 at 3:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wayne, you are the one making a fool of yourself. Or in terms that you can understand...
wayne, you is da one makin a fool of ya-self.

These one day posters are really starting to annoy me!! I'm normally tolerant to these things...miss one day of methadon treatment, and all things go awry!! : )

Posted by KatherineReece (anonymous) on April 7, 2009 at 4:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"miss one day of methadone treatment, and all things go awry!! : )"

LOL!!!!!

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Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on April 7, 2009 at 6:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You know that this is a very technologically advanced world we live in when people like waynesworld can type in crayon. Wayne, quit playing with your mommy's computer!

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on April 7, 2009 at 6:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey Dude!!! Good to see you back!

What good are claws if we can't do some scratching? :P

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Posted by eagle1 (anonymous) on April 7, 2009 at 6:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dr ... SHUT UP! I'm watching wayne get dismantled.

Posted by TheDude (Michael Wells) on April 7, 2009 at 6:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks Nov ... been at the UAB Hilton since Thursday night. Not fun, the tv wuz stuck on The Food Channel the whole time, and I was on a liquid diet.

Dr ..."I don't make fun of people or try to degrade others". What have you been doin' on here?

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on April 7, 2009 at 7 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I heard about that, Dude. Glad you're back! I can handle Rachel Ray no matter what kind of diet I'm on! :P

Posted by THESWATTER (anonymous) on April 7, 2009 at 7:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

SPLAT!!!

Posted by kwsrgraves (anonymous) on April 7, 2009 at 7:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dude, welcome back. You have been truly missed. Now, you got any boiled peanuts?

Posted by TheDude (Michael Wells) on April 7, 2009 at 9:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

kw, them dadgum BAWLED PEANUTS is what put me in the hospital!

Posted by kwsrgraves (anonymous) on April 7, 2009 at 10:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Oops! We'll switch to raw broccoli, carrot sticks, or ....No! Popcorn is as much as I will concede. I'll let you eat the non-buttered. But, I am sticking to good ole slick slimey boiled peanuts! Even if it kills me. And they don't stink like cigarettes.

Has anyone come up with the health benefits of smoking? The positive side of this habit?

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on April 8, 2009 at 5:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Debby: You got that twisted a little bit. If Mr. Graves' wife had been making comments here, then she would have potentially been subjected to the same critique that you and I and Mr. Graves are. She was an innocent bystander and should not have been attacked for any reason by anyone. You, and I and many others, choose to make comments that are sometimes barbed and pointed and therefore have to stand up and take any criticism that may come with it. I certainly applaud your willingness to express your opinion, but when you do, especially if you disparage people or their community, expect to be taken to the woodshed. When you get to the woodshed, it's up to you to defend yourself with your best shot at an intelligent explaination of your opinion. Or just stand there and take the flogging. That being said, we could dispense with the personal attacks--- or not.

Posted by jchan (anonymous) on April 8, 2009 at 5:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

debbyrose-you wrote smelling of tobacco smoke is probably correct BUT stinks is all in one's opinion. CIGARETTE SMOKE DOES STINK!!!!!!! NO IF ANDS OR BUTS ABOUT IT!!My husband smokes but he doesn't smoke around the children and they still fuss and complain about the smell. SO YES IT DOES STINK!!

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Posted by jchan (anonymous) on April 8, 2009 at 9:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

wayne-wasn't you trying to speculate that graves smoked cigars earlier in a post? you acted as if you knew him personally, now you say you don't know him.

Posted by waynecarter (anonymous) on April 8, 2009 at 10:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I was not trying to speculate him. I don't know him personally, but I have seen him around places smoking cigars.

Posted by waynecarter (anonymous) on April 8, 2009 at 10:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

As far as smoking, that should be one's individual choice. God gave us all different minds so we could make choices on our on. If some choice to smoke so be it. There is no stopping it. Its just like the drug cartel, it can be slowed down but not stopped. It is however rude to smoke in resturants and blow it in peoples faces, so I will hand that one to you kw, but I don't think there should be law against smoking in public places.

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Posted by kwsrgraves (anonymous) on April 8, 2009 at 11:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Carter, you have NEVER seen me "around" smoking cigars. Apparently you have me confused with someone else. I used one to light fireworks "ONCE". That was 15 years ago. And your argument of taking a crap, IS crap. Health laws provide for personal hygeine in restaurants. And now public policy is changing in favor of a safer breathing environment. Carter, you have already apologized for being foolish yesterday. Today, you are heading right back into your foolishness only with a literate advisor typing for you. Son, you need to go back to school before you attempt to carry on a competent conversation with adults.

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Posted by jchan (anonymous) on April 8, 2009 at 11:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

omg this is insane.

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Posted by jchan (anonymous) on April 8, 2009 at 12:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ok maybe wayne is just insane.

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Posted by jchan (anonymous) on April 8, 2009 at 12:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

just a little confused because one minute you say you know him, one minute you don't, one minute you say that you might have him confused with someone else.

Posted by waynecarter (anonymous) on April 8, 2009 at 12:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't know him. Please write that down so you know what I am saying. I told him I did confuse him with someone else. Do you need me to point anything else out for you? I will be glad to explain it for you.

Posted by jchan (anonymous) on April 8, 2009 at 12:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

no i think you covered this time.

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Posted by jchan (anonymous) on April 8, 2009 at 1:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

debbyrose- do you honestly smell all those different things on a daily basis. I know I don't. The one smell that I do smell everyday is my husband's stinking cigarette smoke.

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Posted by jchan (anonymous) on April 8, 2009 at 1:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ok wayne i'm confused again.

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Posted by kwsrgraves (anonymous) on April 8, 2009 at 4:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thank you to the Advertiser Staff for policing this thread. And my apologies to the readers and posters for being exposed to the malice in this thread. Hopefully, you see why I have NO use for drug ABUSERS, dropouts, and people that expect the world owes them a living. That's the garbage I have no patience for. Again, thank you staff, and my apologies to fellow posters and readers.

Posted by michelle_price (anonymous) on April 8, 2009 at 4:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

kw let me know if i need to delete anymore i think i got them all.

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on April 8, 2009 at 4:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well, dadgum! I went on a five hundred and fifty mile drive today and missed all the excitement! Dadgummit! I have missed out on what I'm sure was a great learning experience from waynesworld. His comments are now deleted and lost to all humanity. Dadgummit!

Posted by kwsrgraves (anonymous) on April 8, 2009 at 4:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thank you Michelle.

Posted by michelle_price (anonymous) on April 8, 2009 at 4:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

anytime

Posted by kwsrgraves (anonymous) on April 8, 2009 at 5:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

DR, you referred to jchan's posterier without any idea of it's size. That in itself was not an issue. It's the word you used that was not in alignment with the community standards of this virtual neighborhood. Whether she needs a "wide load" sign or NOT on her computer chair, you used the wrong terminology.

No offense jchan, just trying to help. As I do not know how big your...chair is. :)

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on April 8, 2009 at 6:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Nah, Debby, that boy ain't right! :) But he is a buddy of mine, even if we disagree politically almost all of the time. :P

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on April 8, 2009 at 7:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Shoot yeah, Debby, I'm a nice guy! That's been my biggest problem all of my life!! :-)

Posted by jchan (anonymous) on April 8, 2009 at 7:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

debbyrose- what are you talking about trouble maker? All I said was that cigarette smoke stunk.

Posted by kittycreek (anonymous) on April 9, 2009 at 9:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Heaven help us, Vampire has learned how to cut and paste!

I like that all the posts are saved on this site. Pretty handy, aint it?

Posted by jchan (anonymous) on April 9, 2009 at 8:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

debbyrose- i sent you an email did you get it?

Posted by jchan (anonymous) on April 10, 2009 at 6:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

debbyrose does call people names she called my a troublemaker and an instigator. I have emailed her and I guess she's to scared to reply. I was only 3 years old in 72, so I guess I should just let it go and not fuss with an elderly lady. I should just be thankful that my mom doesn't act ummmm you know a little crazy.

Posted by jchan (anonymous) on April 10, 2009 at 2:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I didn't say that smokers stink. I SAID that cigarette smoke stinks.