Posted by THORSBYishome (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 8:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I must have missed it, is there a picture of the sign anywhere or is it still up?

Posted by TLS (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 8:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I too was infuriated by this billboard and it's implications. It should definitely be taken down.

Posted by rayrhonda (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 9:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I also, as well as many of my co-workers were offended by this sign-especially a man who will not salute the American Flag or place his hand on the Bible- we as a Nation and Christians should wake up-this man in not Jesus Christ and this sign needs to be removed immediately. God Bless the USA and our American Flag.

Posted by rayrhonda (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 9:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

THE SIGN IS POSTED IN FRONT OF BP ON MAIN STREET (7TH STREET IN TOWN)

Posted by getbizi (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 10:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Would Jesus vote for this pro-abortion, pro-homosexual marriage candidate who associates with terrorists( William Ayers) and convicted felons( Tony Rezko)????

Posted by yourfriend (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 10:41 a.m.

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Posted by larry (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 10:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The sign does not even have a visible political disclamer as required by law. Maybe the persons that put it up think they are above the law or maybe they are just ignorant. I'd vote for the 2nd choice.

Posted by bmaze (Brent Maze) on October 8, 2008 at 10:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I do not believe the billboard is owned by the BP.

Posted by larry (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 11:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Its not owned by BP. Its is on the next property south.

Posted by poohbear94 (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 11:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

First of all, this sign is not affiliated with the BP at all. Second, I think whoever authorized this sign should have had sense enough to know that Obama isn't on that ticket by himself. Biden should've been acknowledged as well. Third, this sign is tacky and it makes the Democratic Committee of this County look bad.

Posted by JanineS22 (Jan Smith) on October 8, 2008 at 12:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I haven't seen the sign. Can someone describe the scene or captions, if any?

Posted by RT (Rashad Trimble) on October 8, 2008 at 1:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

In response to the new billboard being deemed sacrilegious, I don’t feel that the billboard in any way insinuates that one certain political candidate is promoting their election, to be your “soul’s salvation”. The individual that purchased the billboard chose to include the personal message “Jesus is the way” and they have to the right to express their personal opinion, granted to them by the First Amendment of the U. S. Constitution. The board was not sponsored by the Obama Campaign, but the individual who chose to include the “Jesus is the way” messaged probably deserves a handshake since God has been extracted from everything that we do and taken out of our school systems. I think that anyone offended by this message is not a “true” Christian, because if they were, they would know that God has not given us any position to place judgment on another person and if they are not familiar with this they should read Matthew Chapter 7 to educate themselves.

Posted by rayrhonda (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 3:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

billboard says---------JESUS IS THE WAY

OBAMA 08

Posted by TheDude (Michael Wells) on October 8, 2008 at 3:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I haven't seen the billboard, but would venture to say that the "Jesus is the Way" message is separate from the Obama advertisement. It seems the billboard could be misinterpreted as a political/religious scheme, but I kind of doubt it.

Posted by nonexpert (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 5:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I first saw the sign Saturday, when we came by it Sunday after church someone was adding more to it at the bottom. I don't know what it was. Can anyone fill me in.
Saturday it said;

Jesus is the way

Obama 08

I also found it very distasteful.

Posted by nonexpert (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 5:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

dude..The sign was one statement on a billboard size white background. One statement, one sign.

Posted by PrAaHe (anonymous) on October 8, 2008 at 8:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I saw this billboard while they were setting it up. It is pretty distasteful. Someone should set up a "McCain 08" billboard.

Posted by Lilin (anonymous) on October 9, 2008 at 6:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow, I really think its funny to say somebody is not a true christian because they said they found a campaign advertisment offensive. Did you not say that judgement is wrong? Is that not what you just did? I myself will admit that I am not a perfect christian and make my mistakes, but you said it yourself, they have the right to their opinions. Free speach and all!
McCain\Palin 08

Posted by TheDude (Michael Wells) on October 9, 2008 at 6:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

PALIN FOR PRESIDENT!!

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on October 9, 2008 at 6:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

IBEW: I rather doubt that the IRS will be removing the tax free status of any local churches because of their political stances, although I wish they would. They proved that they wouldn't follow their own rules when they didn't enforce them on Obama's church. Personally, I think all churches should have to pay taxes just like any other business. Then they could spew whatever political nonsense that they want to--- legally.

The sign didn't offend me at all, I'm not all that easily offended, but it did give me a chuckle because of it's elementary school cartoon design. If that sign causes anyone to vote for Obama then they probably won't be able to find the voting place anyway.

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on October 9, 2008 at 9:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm certainly no Obama fan, or Bama fan for that matter, but just like you said, if the same sign had McCain's name on it, I seriously doubt that anyone would have been offended. Except maybe the democrats. I didn't see anything offensive about it. It looks like crayon drawings that you might see at an elementary school. Funny, but not offensive. Rather than get offended, I just shake my head, laugh at it, and drive on by.

Posted by TheDude (Michael Wells) on October 9, 2008 at 10:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ya' know, I haven't seen the sign yet, but I do know one thing, I have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and no matter whose picture is on that billboard the only thing that matters to me is "Jesus is The Way" ... period.

Posted by AllSeeingEye (anonymous) on October 9, 2008 at 11:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

People are "offended" because it is a sign for Obama and they've been misinformed by right-wing lies and propaganda about him. He is a Christian who was raised by Christians, not a Muslim or a "terrorist" like they want you to think. Those who believe that BS (like getbizi) are buying into the hate and fear that Republicans use every election cycle to get easy votes from the weak minded. If it was a McCain billboard you wouldn't hear a single complaint from the sheep who think Republicans can do no wrong.

I believe in the separation of church and state, but as long as this is not an official billboard from the Obama campaign or the DNC and just a privately funded billboard, there is absolutely nothing wrong with it at all.

Those who are complaining about this should get the facts about Obama and McCain and that means learning the truth from more sources than just Fox News.

Posted by getbizi (anonymous) on October 9, 2008 at 5:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ASE, I do not think Obama is a Muslim. I believe he is secular just as McCain is. I do, however, match his beliefs on sanctity of life and homosexuality against the Bible and it doesn't match his "Christian" upbringing. His affiliations with convicted felons and confirmed terrorists run counter to someone who wants to be a sitting President.

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on October 9, 2008 at 6:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Some people only get their news from Fox News, some only get theirs from CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, NPR, PBS, or the Daily Kos, all of which are firmly in the Obama camp.

Obama may or may not be a muslim, he may or may not be a Christian, you never really know what's in someones' soul, all you know is what they say, but I'd feel better if I saw him eat a ham sandwich or a pile of bacon.

Posted by THORSBYishome (anonymous) on October 9, 2008 at 6:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

November: you are ALWAYS good for a hardy laugh!
Ditto on the ham and bacon!

Posted by AllSeeingEye (anonymous) on October 9, 2008 at 7:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

getbizi - For the record, Obama is not "pro-abortion" nobody is "pro-abortion" - he is "pro choice" - big difference. Studies show that the number of abortions actually goes DOWN during Democratic administrations because they believe in effective sex education.

Obama is not "pro-homosexual marriage" as you claim. He supports civil rights for same-sex couples, not gay marriage. You need to get the facts about these issues and his association with Ayers and Rezko (who Republicans also associated with - but you never hear that from those like you.) There is absolutely nothing to these guilt-by-association attacks that McCain wants to use to distract you from the fact that he does not have the solutions to our problems as a country. At a time when we are all suffering from so many troubles, it is disrespectful to the American people to "turn the page on the economy" as his campaign admitted.

McCain has also been associated with some shady characters and organizations including Charles Keating, John Hagee, and the U.S. Council for World Freedom - to name just a few for you to Google. Sarah Palin's husband was the member of the Alaskan Independence Party - which wants her state to secede from the US! As governor, she even sent a video messages to the group saying "keep up the good work"!

If you claim that Obama's associations reflect on his character, it is only fair to look at McCain and Palin's associations too, but this election should be about the issues. There's plenty to pick apart from the past of both sides, but that won't solve any of the problems that endanger the American way of life, which is truly in danger thanks to eight years of Republican failed policies and a gridlocked government.

Posted by AllSeeingEye (anonymous) on October 9, 2008 at 7:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

November - There's a big difference in what Fox News does compared to the other media outlets you mentioned. Fox obviously gets their talking points directly from Republicans and they constantly spread misinformation, rumors and sometimes straight out lies. The other mainstream media outlets may lean left, but they report based on the facts and are trustworthy, however I'm sure to always confirm all TV and print news information from a variety of sources. The "liberal media" claim everyone on the right likes to make so much is easily discounted if you do a little research on your own instead of taking just one source's word for it, which seems to be the case with most who believe everything they see on Faux News. Just because the claim to be "fair and balanced" does not make it the truth.

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on October 9, 2008 at 8:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ASE: Again, we will have to agree to disagree. I gather my information from all of the sources that I mentioned. I have to take a double Alka-Seltzer to watch, or listen to, or read some of them, but I do it. I don't pay attention to everything that I see or hear on Fox News, but it only takes one Alka-Seltzer to listen to them. I've never heard the other media sources even claim to be 'fair and balanced', I suppose there's some things that even they won't say.

Thank you, THORSBY.

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on October 9, 2008 at 9:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Believe me, I don't need to be told whether a news source is fair and balnced or not.

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on October 9, 2008 at 9:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I have heard him say "why don't we get drunk and...".

Jimmy might say just about anything. I'll be down at his sisters' place tomorrow, maybe he'll be there.

Posted by TLS (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 8:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

They covered up the billboard. YAY!

Posted by AllSeeingEye (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 7:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

BREAKING NEWS: A legislative committee investigating Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has found she unlawfully abused her authority in firing the state's public safety commissioner.

Palin for president? LOL

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 7:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Must have been an extremely short lease. Could have been that either Jesus or the democrats didn't pay up. I just don't know.

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 8:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

MORE BREAKING NEWS: Obama coordinator meets with muslim extremeists. "Barak Obama's newly appointed muslim outreach adviser is coming under fire for meeting with islamic groups with extremist views, just two months after her predecessor resigned over links to a radical cleric."

I have not seen where the coordinator is coming under fire from the Obama campaign, however.

It's always good to stay in touch with your political base, I suppose.

Posted by AllSeeingEye (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 9:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Extremists huh? I guess all Muslims are extremists to some wackos. The only actual news story I can find that labels those Obama's coordinator met with as "extremists" is from, you guessed it - Fox News! LOL

Find a legitimate news source that proves these Muslims that the Obama coordinator met with are extremists and I might listen to this crap, even though the meeting was not organized by the campaign and they accepted an invitation from community leaders to attend. There is absolutely nothing wrong with them meeting with Muslims. It is a religion, and you should have some respect.

If Obama's character is still in question for you, how about taking John McCain's own words about him from today when his own audience members tried to insinuate the same thing you are: "I have to tell you. Sen. Obama is a decent person and a person you don't have to be scared of as president of the United States" and "He's a decent family man with whom I happen to have some disagreements." and "I admire Senator Obama and his accomplishments." If you don't believe him, who are you going to believe? McCain can't bring himself to repeat the smears his campaign has been using to try to destroy Obama, so it is obviously NOT TRUE!

So, can we stop with these false accusations that Obama is in league with terrorists or extremists? It does nor you or your candidate any good to keep lying about Obama and accusing him of this BS without any facts to back it up. McCain's base may love it - because they don't care about facts - but independent voters are sick of it, and there's about to be a huge backlash. Take a look at the polls over the last week since they went harshly negative if you don't believe me.

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on October 10, 2008 at 10:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Actually, I first heard the story yesterday on CNN Headline News in Atlanta's Heartsfield airport. I couldn't find it on CNN's website but I did find it on FoxNews.com, that's where I quoted it from.

I doubt that all muslims are extremists, or terrorists for that matter. I've seen some in Turkey and even in Kuwait drink alcohol, so not all of them follow their own religions' dictates, just as with all religions. While it's true that not all muslims are terrorists, it is also true that it wasn't the extreme element of the Baptist or Methodist faiths that attacked us a few years ago. So, I wonder how you are supposed to be able to know an extremist from a non-extremist type. Just go meet with them and ask them I suppose. I don't think that's a very good plan.

By the way, I'm not a particularly religious type and I have absolutly NO respect for islam. I do, however, respect most other religions. I'm sure you will want some sort of justification for that, that's all the justification you're going to get though. Also, I'm not a republican so McCain is not "my" candidate. I do plan to vote for him, though I think in vain, but he's not "my" candidate.

Posted by Lilin31 (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 6:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I wish i was as good as some of you at writing what I feel and think. I mean the passion you have for politics is great. Even if some of you are seriously misinformed...... Oh yeah, here is a question for all you Obama supporters. If he is a Christian and has always been a Christian, why then did he take the sen. office by swearing on the Koran and not the Holy Bible? If I spelt that wrong forgive me. Back to my question. Would that not represent him being a muslim, not that all muslims are bad, just that there is this big argument over his being a christian or not. Everybody has their right to their opinions, but why sit and try to make somebody feel bad for their reasons to not want to vote for Obama. Is that not why we have the voting system we do. I mean jeez. I get so sick of the fighting, we are not a country of togetherness anymore. Has anybody figured it out that it is not only Bushes fault this country is in the shape it is. Sure it was going good while Clinton was in office, but did anybody put it together the fact that Republicans had the majority in the Congress. HELLO! Ok, I am through, I tried to talk myself out of writing this, but it got the better of me. You all can continue to yell and scream and try to get your own points acrose. Just answer my one question please.

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 9:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Lilin31: I'm not trying to protect Obama, there are others here who will do that, but I believe it was Cong. Ellison from Michigan (I think that's his name and state) that swore the oath on the koran, not Obama. If I'm wrong I'm sure I will be corrected.

IBEW: I've never found anything in life that is 100%. Not 100% of muslims are terrorists, not 100% of terrorists are muslims. However, I stayed alive three different times in some very dangerous places and situations by not trusting anyone, except my fellow service members, and expecting all of the locals to try to kill me. That's not paranoia, it's called reality and survival. We are at war and the enemy is among us. As I said, not all muslims are extremists but if the majority of them are good, peace loving people like they claim to be it's high time they rose up and quelled the minority. Until that happens I will continue to distrust ALL of them and be suspect of politicians who woo them, whether he be democrat, republican, libertarian or independant.

Posted by 1oldman (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 9:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

And then there are those that never stay informed, relying only on the talking points of their political background. Why should they let facts get in the way of their opinion.

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 9:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

1oldman: You are absolutly right. That's true for republicans and democrats.

Posted by Lilin31 (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 12:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

No it was Obama who did it.

Posted by ConcernedAmerican (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 12:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

AllSeeingEye agrees with McCain when he says something nice about Obama, but not on anything else. I guess he is lying the rest of the time. Not sure where this person gets their info. from, but loves to bash Fox News. I guess they don't have any democratic people on their shows. Anyway, I think this video explains how Democrats think. http://www.imao.us/
Go down to where Zo's video is and enjoy!
Also, I failed to notice any positive response on ACORN? Wonder why? I guess Obama wasn't tied to them either. He is a joke to this country.

Posted by AllSeeingEye (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 1:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Lilin31, I'd really like to see your proof about Obama and the Koran. This lie has been discounted time and time again.

Please get the facts people! I'm sick of these smears and lies, and you're buying into them without looking into the accusations at all.

Obama was NEVER sworn in with a Koran! Obama was sworn in using his own Bible, as widely reported in newspaper accounts and I even found photo evidence it was indeed a BIBLE. This lie is often said about Obama when it was actually Keith Ellison.
Snopes.com and FactCheck.org and PolitiFact.com all confirm this - so stop believing the lies!

CA - Personally, I don't believe a word that comes out of McCain's mouth. I don't support him and he'll say anything to win. But if he is your choice for president shouldn't you believe him? If not, is it OK that he's lying to you? Is it OK that he's lying to the face of his supporter at his rally who claimed Obama is an Arab? Is it OK that he doesn't have the courage to truly speak his mind about Obama to his supporters and to Obama's face? Or maybe the opposite is true - that all of these smears are false, but his campaign is using them to try to destroy Obama's character simply because McCain is down in the polls and has ZERO solutions for our countries problems.

Also, you and your buddies at Faux News can keep talking about ACORN all they want. There's nothing there. Anyone who looks into the facts can see that. There has never been one case of voter fraud from ACORN - ever. There's a big difference between voter registration fraud and voter fraud. ACORN is getting bashed because they try to get low-income people and minorities registered to vote. Some people are paid to go out and get people registered. This is perfectly legal, but some abuse the system and submit false names. ACORN confirms every registration, and those that look suspicious are flagged. The law requires them to turn over every registration form no matter what. ACORN turns in the forms and bundles and flags those they find suspicious and often times the election board pays no attention to these flags, and then accuses ACORN of voter registration fraud. This is usually politically motivated.

Amazingly, nobody can defend Palin who after being governor of Alaska for only a year and a half and she's already guilty of an abuse of power and an ethics law violation. She's the real joke! If you like Bush, sounds like more of the same to me.

Posted by Lilin31 (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 1:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ConcernedAmerican Thank YOU! I really enjoyed listening to that. He said it perfectly didn't he.

Posted by TheDude (Michael Wells) on October 11, 2008 at 2:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Back to the main subject of this blog ... the billboard is covered up.

Posted by AllSeeingEye (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 3:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I put up my Obama/Biden sign today which finally arrived from store.barackobama.com. It is proudly displayed on a busy road in a rural area of Chilton County.

Due to the propaganda from the right and the rhetoric from John McCain's campaign, I'm sure many folks around here now think that I'm in league with terrorists and a Muslim-extremist sympathizer. I wouldn't be surprised if my sign is stolen or destroyed or my home is targeted. I am not afraid because the truth is on my side, and people who may do something like that should know: Democrats have guns too!

You can vote for whoever you want to on Nov 4th, and I applaud you for exercising your rights. The question is, will you vote for the candidate who inspires hate, or the one who inspires hope?

Posted by TheDude (Michael Wells) on October 11, 2008 at 5:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You look at things a lot different than I do ASE, and I appreciate the FACT (which you are so intimate about) that you are applauding me for exercising my rights, because I'm sure gonna exercise. I am voting for the candidate that I know would die for his country and is as patriotic as the sky is blue. I am voting for the candidate whose character and loyalty to the people of America, I trust.

During these difficult economic times, I would have used that sign money to fill up my fuel tanks. But, that's me ...

Posted by TheDude (Michael Wells) on October 11, 2008 at 8:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Stang, I didn't serve my country in the military, but I am a military "brat". I saw acts of patriotism through my eyes, in my own way, from the time I could understand what it meant until I left Homestead AFB in 1974. I may have a different perspective of what patriotism means according to Stang Doctrine, but I know my dad believed in it and he lived it in service for 25 years. I am not in the same category with "Bama", whatever category that is. There are a lot of people in this country that may have taken different paths instead of joining the armed services at a younger age. Just because they didn't, doesn't mean they are not patriotic.

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 9:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dude: Very well said!

I always give the average citizen the benefit of the doubt, if I think about it at all, that they are patriots. Unless, of course, they prove to be otherwise. When a person wants to be the President of the United States, the Commander in Chief, though, I want to see some proof. They don't necessarily have to have been in the military to satisfy me, but it would help. I need a little more than just words, as a matter of fact, the smoother the words the more proof I'll need. This is very important to me, much more so than mere politics.

Posted by ConcernedAmerican (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 10:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

AllSeeingEye-You wish you were half the person that Palin is. And now you think ACORN is a good organization and they never did anything wrong? What world do you live in? Just think of the things you believe in....killing unborn babies, ACORN, Obama, same-sex mariages, not having the right to have a gun (but admitting to having one), being ok to vote present instead of a simple yes or no, so that you can be held accountable, etc., etc., etc. My Dad fought for this country and I will defend it against people like you.
Lilin31 - Your welcome, I'm glad you enjoyed the video. Please share it with others so that the truth will prevail. McCain will win because the polls are not correct. Workers are scared to say who they will vote for in fear of getting fired. They will vote for who they want to when they are at the polls.

Posted by AllSeeingEye (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 11:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

CA - I've never committed an ethics violation that broke the law like Palin and you don't know me at all, let alone what I believe, so you have no right to be judgmental. Your anger is showing because your candidate is running a dishonorable campaign and deservedly losing to the better candidate.

From your delusional comments, it's obvious that you don't know the truth about the issues and what Obama stands for, or what McCain's policies and voting record are for that matter. You like to read whatever you want into what I've written while ignoring my actual words, which shows me you are not a logical person.

You think that you need to defend this country against ME? I'm just trying to expose the lies with the honest truth while supporting my choice for president with facts. But, God-forbid, someone use their first amendment right to free speech if they disagree with you, huh? Maybe you should concentrate your anger on those that actually want to take advantage of and hurt you - like the current administration and the corporations who are in league to practically make you their slave.

Go ahead and keep holding on to your belief that the polls are all wrong. You are counting on fear and racism to save McCain's chances. Is that the kind of country you want to live in? Haven't we had enough of this divisiveness? I happen to believe that we are beyond that crap - finally - and it is time to work together for REAL change. That is Obama's message, not the BS you believe. Sure it sounds optimistic or idealist, but I prefer hope over hate.

Posted by Lilin31 (anonymous) on October 11, 2008 at 11:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well I will appoligize then for not having my facts straight. LOL, I can say when I am wrong, can you? You all have fun arguing, I'm through.

Posted by ConcernedAmerican (anonymous) on October 12, 2008 at 8:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Mustang-You must be Steve Graves because you also accused me of smoking dope, which I've never done in my life.
AllSeeingEye-I am not judging you. You are the one saying what you believe in. And I'm not angry at all. And talk about judging people, calling me delusional and not logical? You have no idea how economics work or you wouldn't want to tax the small businesses that employ most people.
You Democrats would love us to use racism, but Democrats are the only ones that bring up that issue. BTW, did you actually look at the video that I linked earlier? Evidently you didn't because the person is black talking about the Democrats.
You talking about change, I saw a t-shirt that I thought was really creative. NO OBAMA-Keep the change.
How do you work together for real change, when Obama is so far left? I personally don't believe a word he says. HE WILL NOT CUT 95% OF THE PEOPLES TAXES BECAUSE 95% OF PEOPLE DON'T PAY TAXES. Maybe he plans on giving welfare receipients more than they get now and somehow it averages out, who knows?

Posted by TheDude (Michael Wells) on October 12, 2008 at 9:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Stang, is Obama serving his country or setting up his country? Being overseas in the Army, I'm sure at one time or another you had a gut feeling something didn't feel right, was about to happen, or was behind you. That's the strong feeling I get when I hear and watch Obama speak.

Posted by ConcernedAmerican (anonymous) on October 12, 2008 at 12:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I had never had a job that I would be scared to say who I am voting for, but there are people that need a job to take care of their families and don't have a choice in their job availabilities. They would rather work for a living than to just get handouts. If you don't agree with me, why does the Democrats always lead in the polls and then lose some elections? I have traveled across the U.S. and overseas and I see how people live. I have probably went to more states in this country and visited more countries than you ever will in your lifetime. If this country is so bad, why do you still have the freedoms that you have? People should count their blessings instead of being angry at where our country is. It's easy to blame Bush for everything, but don't you realize that the Senate and Congress are a Democratic majority? I think there is plenty of blame to go around. As far as being absorbed with the internet and media, what am I doing different than you? I am just giving my opinion. I am not an ignorant person as you try to describe me. I am an educated business owner and I work hard for what I get. I do not want to give away all my earnings to the government to hand out to people that are too lazy to work. I would rather grow my business, hiring people that want to work. You are not in the real world if you think people can't say who they are voting for in fear of losing their jobs. Have you ever heard of unions?

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on October 12, 2008 at 12:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dude: Again, very well said! I get that same feeling. It's not paranoia and I don't believe it's fear, I think it's intuition and experience. It has served me well over the years, except in the case of women!

Posted by AllSeeingEye (anonymous) on October 12, 2008 at 12:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

CA - First you say "You wish you were half the person that Palin is." then you claim you're not judging me? Plus, you seem to know everything I believe in without even knowing me - that is judgmental.

Then you claim that "You are the one saying what you believe in."
Sounds like you think that you know what I believe in more than I do because I've never said any of those things. My words are here for you to plainly read, but you have decided that I don't mean what I write - that is illogical and delusional.

You say "you think ACORN is a good organization and they never did anything wrong" and that I believe in "killing unborn babies" or "Obama, same-sex mariages" or "not having the right to have a gun" etc. I'VE NEVER STATED ANY OF THE THINGS YOU CLAIM I BELIEVE IN. And these are not Obama's beliefs - I know that because I've looked into his policies and his voting record. You'll believe whatever you want to believe regardless of the facts, which is truly sad.

Your claim that Democrats want you to use racism is laughable. Why would the party with the black candidate want to bring up the issue of race? This makes no sense whatsoever. Have you seen any of the rallies lately? Which one is all white, and which one is truly representative of our country with a wide variety of elasticities and races? It is John McCain and his campaign that has always played the "race card" in this election. Their recent rhetoric is nothing more than a veiled attempt to make people wonder if they can trust a black guy as president. Someone at one of their rallies this weekend disgustingly brought a monkey doll with an Obama sticker on it - There is video of this on CBS. A man told McCain he was scared of Obama, McCain had to correct him. A woman said she can't trust Obama because he's an Arab - McCain had to correct her. Why do you think his supporters believe this BS? The McCain campaign has been throwing fuel on the fire with their inflammatory rhetoric, that's why.

Yes, I watched the video. A black guy is voting for McCain. So what? What point does this prove exactly? Do you think he's a spokesman for his entire race or something?

How do you work together for change? By stopping the use of fear, hate-mongering and divisiveness that the Republicans have been using to get cheap votes for years, that's how! You yourself have bought into this with your claim you need to protect this country from ME! I am not your enemy, I am your fellow American, and if we can find some common ground, we can work together to make a difference. This is Obama's message, and I'm really trying hard here to live up to his expectations.

Posted by AllSeeingEye (anonymous) on October 12, 2008 at 12:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Also, you once again have Obama's policy wrong. He has never said he'd give a tax cut to 95% of ALL Americans. It's 95% of working families - who do indeed pay taxes. If you make under $200,000 (250K for a family) you won't see a cent of increase of any taxes. That is his promise, I believe him and I will hold him to it if he is elected president.

Posted by AllSeeingEye (anonymous) on October 12, 2008 at 2:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Steven, thank you for sharing. We should all get together sometime and discuss this stuff - I'll bet the tone would be dramatically different. I'll also bet that everyone posting here has a lot in common, we just want to earn a decent living to afford to feed our families while keeping them healthy, and maybe have a few nice things and have a little fun every once and a while. All I ask from our government is that they protect us by upholding our Constitutional rights and that they do so in an intelligent and thoughtful way that works for ALL Americans. Can't we all agree on that at least?

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on October 12, 2008 at 4:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

That should quite a party you two will have, way out there in the ozone layer!

Posted by TheDude (Michael Wells) on October 12, 2008 at 7:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ya'll need to chill. Tomorrow is only Monday ... I will be glad when this political whirlwind of an election is over and McCain/Palin moves into the White House. HA! GOTCHA ASE!

Posted by ConcernedAmerican (anonymous) on October 13, 2008 at 10:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

AllSeeingEye-How can you deny the things Obama stands for and say he doesn't stand for those issues? One example, he is pro-choice. That is killing babies and there is no way around it. I believe in pro-choice, that the woman has a choice on whether to have sex or not. If she becomes pregnant, than the baby should have a right to be born. I can go over every issue that he stands for and I don't agree with him. Like I said, race has nothing to do with it. The guy in the video is not a spokesperson for the entire black race. It's just an example how he was brought up to believe things and he found out what Democrats are really about. You claim you do research and it sounds like you think you are an expert at issues. I have a difference of opinion. I get my information from many sources and I have moral values that guide me in the right direction for me. You are about as far left as Obama, because most Democrats will tell you that ACORN is a horrible organization and you think they are fine. The reason Obama brings up race, is because he wants the black vote, isn't that common sense. McCain doesn't want his followers to be racist, he wants them to vote of the issues. He can't control everyone and thats why he made those statements. You have to agree that all Democrats are not good people, at least I would think you would agree with that. This is the way I see it, half the people in this country want Obama and half want McCain. There are contrast differences of how they will lead this country and what they believe in. Do you have any opinions on Obama's policies that you don't believe in or do you agree with everything he states?

Posted by AllSeeingEye (anonymous) on October 13, 2008 at 12:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

CA - You have no clue what Obama or I stand for. Your opinions are based on right-wing propaganda plain and simple. Is McCain a baby killer for supporting abortion in the cases of incest and rape? Is Bush a baby killer for failing to stop any abortions during his administration?

Abortion, like many issues, is not just black-or-white - there are many gray areas such as cases of incest and rape and when the mother's life is in danger. Democrats are not for abortion, they believe that a woman should make that difficult decision herself without government interfering in her private life and after she knows about the alternatives such as adoption. Democrats believe in preventing unwanted pregnancies in the first place with effective and comprehensive sex education. Republicans want to teach abstinence only and every study has proven this just doesn't work.

It amazes me that the party that is supposedly for personal responsibility and less government wants to prevent women from making a decision about her own body and life. I know this issue comes down to whether you believe that life begins at conception or not. This has been debated for hundreds of years, is still controversial, and many do not believe life begins at conception. To you, I guess it's ok to tell those who do not believe the same as you what they can do with their own body and make a decision for them that will affect the rest of their life - and the child's life. That doesn't sound like a conservative principle to me.

I never said ACORN is "fine" or "good". Again, you read whatever you want in my words regardless of what I actually write. Do they have some problems? Yes - which I pointed out. Are they an evil organization that wants to defraud elections? No. There's never been one case of voter fraud attributed to ACORN - which I also pointed out. Those like you want to paint every issue as either one way or the other while reality is much more complicated and full of gray areas that do not make these issues as simple as you'd like to portray them.

continued...

Posted by AllSeeingEye (anonymous) on October 13, 2008 at 12:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Obama wants to bring up race? This is ridiculous. Your argument is he wants the black vote, but I'll argue there are a lot more racists in this country than black people. To think that blacks will vote for Obama just because he's black (1/2 black actually) is racist in itself.

If you really believe McCain wants his followers to focus on the issues, why is he attacking Obama so viciously with lies and smears? His advertising is 100% negative. His campaign has admitted that if they talk about the economy they will lose, so they're going after his opponent with the most hateful and disgusting rhetoric in any presidential election ever. His goal is obviously to divide the country and make people wonder if they can trust the black guy as president. This is a direct indication of how McCain will run his presidency. Is that what you want? More divisiveness. More hate and fear as a tool to persuade the public? We've just had 8 years of that crap and I, for one, am sick and tired of it.

Of course I agree that all Democrats are not good people. When have I ever made such an assertion?

Do I disagree with Obama on anything? Of course. I disagree with him for supporting recent FISA legislation because it had a clause that corporations who help eavesdrop on Americans without a warrant could have immunity. I do however understand why Obama supported this legislation since it put more 'checks' on Bush's power to do whatever he wants to go around existing laws. There are other issues that I disagree with him on, but their not enough to change my mind.

I haven't exactly heard where any of you differ in opinion with McCain's proposals or policies, so how about you do some sharing too.

Posted by ConcernedAmerican (anonymous) on October 13, 2008 at 1:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

AllSeeingEye-I agree with you there are certain situations that may require an abortion, but there should be such stipulations. I don't agree with women killing babies because they didn't want the babies. I knew one woman who had 3 abortions because she didn't want her husband to find out she was cheating on him. As far as I'm concerned, that's murder and she should be in prison, but for some people, it was her decision, so it's okay.
I still don't believe this is a racism election. It's the issues. One of the main issues McCain stands for is creating jobs. That's not a negative issue. Basic economy shows when jobs are created, the economy is better. You may not have liked the last 8 years, but at least we are safe. Things could be a lot worse than they are right now. I have to go right now, but I'll finish when I get back.

Posted by AllSeeingEye (anonymous) on October 13, 2008 at 3:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You're probably right Steven, but I have to go ahead and respond to CA. He's not going to believe anything I write, but maybe someone else reading this conversation will see the light.

CA - All elections SHOULD be about the issues. If McCain truly wants to focus on the issues then why has his campaign continued to attack Obama with lies and using guilt-by-association while almost all of their advertising is negative. That's not how you show your vision for the future of our country. He just wants to tear down Obama - this is so plainly obvious that you must not be paying attention or your view is totally skewed.

I may not be an expert, but I know how to verify the facts and make a logical conclusion based on truth - not my gut or intuition. I've looked at McCain's proposals and they're mostly generalities about what he'll do and not HOW he'll do it. For the most party his ideas are not new, they are the same failed Republican policies that have gotten us where we are today. We cannot afford four more years of failed policies, especially for our now fundamentally damaged economy and McCain's completely out-of-touch foreign policy positions.

Obama has plenty of great ideas for creating jobs, including ending the loopholes that allow companies to move jobs overseas, rebuilding our infrastructure of highways, bridges and schools, and a bold new alternative energy plan that will fund thousands of businesses across the country while, at the same time, will end our dependence on foreign oil. Those are real plans, not generalities. Anyone can say they'll do this and say they'll do that or promise you the moon, but I like to hear exactly how they plan on doing things before I believe them.

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Posted by AllSeeingEye (anonymous) on October 13, 2008 at 3:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

...from above

Are we truly safer after the last 8 years? This argument from Bush apologists is not logical. Thankfully, we have not had another 9/11 in our country but there have been other horrible terrorist attacks from Al Qaeda all over the world including against our allies. The war in Iraq has created MORE terrorists there and around the world. The Taliban and Al Qaeda are resurgent in Afghanistan because we've been distracted from the REAL central front in the war on terror. Our standing in the international community has been ruined therefore if future military action is necessary it will be next-to-impossible to get our allies to support our efforts. Not to mention our over-strained military forces and our inability to act if there was a national emergency. How can you possibly think that we are safe after Bush's anemic response to Katrina? How can you feel safe with an administration that politicizes everything, including our justice system? How can you feel safe with jobs disappearing, wages going down and prices of fuel and food going up? Give me a break with this Bush kept us safe argument. He is the worse president in our history.

You're right, things could be a lot worse now and, unfortunately for you, that argument will lead anyone to the CORRECT conclusion that Barack Obama is the better choice to lead us forward into better times rather than taking a chance on the man who voted with Bush 90% of the time.

Posted by TheDude (Michael Wells) on October 13, 2008 at 3:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ya'll need to take a time out. This repetitive forum is getting old on the political scene. These issues have been pounded out left and right, time and time again and there will be no winner.

NEWS FLASH!

George Bush has been in office for 7 1/2 years. The first six, the economy was fine.

A little over one year ago:
1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
3) Unemployment rate was 4.5%.
4) DOW JONES hit a record high--14,000 +
5) American's were buying new cars, taking cruises vacations overseas, living large!...

But American's wanted 'CHANGE'! So, in 2006 they voted in a Democratic
Congress and yes--we got 'CHANGE' all right. In the PAST YEAR:

1) Consumer confidence has plummeted
2) Gasoline is now over $4 a gallon & climbing!
3) Unemployment is up to 5.5% (a 10% increase)
4) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $12 TRILLION DOLLARS and prices still dropping;
5) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.
6) As I write, THE DOW is probing another low~~
$2.5 TRILLION DOLLARS HAS EVAPORATED FROM THEIR
STOCKS, BONDS & MUTUAL FUNDS INVESTMENT PORTFOLIOS!

YES, IN 2006 AMERICA VOTED FOR CHANGE...AND WE SURE GOT IT! ....

REMEMBER THE PRESIDENT HAS NO CONTROL OVER ANY OF THESE ISSUES, ONLYCONGRESS.

AND WHAT HAS CONGRESS DONE IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

NOW THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT CLAIMS HE IS GOING TO REALLY GIVE US CHANGE ALONG WITH A DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS!!!!

JUST HOW MUCH MORE 'CHANGE' DO YOU THINK YOU CAN STAND?

Posted by AllSeeingEye (anonymous) on October 13, 2008 at 3:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh right, it's all Democrats' fault. Come on Dude, let's get the facts straight. In case you didn't notice Bush vetoed most of the legislation out of the Democratically controlled Congress. The do not have a veto-proof majority in either the House or the Senate and Republicans have been fighting them every step of the way. Your argument is plainly false.

Posted by ConcernedAmerican (anonymous) on October 13, 2008 at 3:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks Michael for stating the facts. These people on here will never believe you. They will accuse you of being ignorant, racist, etc., etc, etc. They think Obama is the coming Savior, like he is going to solve this countries problems. They are going to make him accountable. ha ha If Obama got elected, they would run the White House, The Senate, and the Congress. They just want to blame Bush & McCain for everything that ever happened bad in this country. If Clinton had been more interested in doing his job than having an affair, we may not have had planes flying into our towers. Nancy Pelosi is a joke. They were supposed to be making a plan on getting the economy fixed that McCain warned them about and she is playing the blame Republicans game even though the Democrats had the majority. She should be blaming her own party. They can keep believing about the change thing, I think they actually believe what they are saying.

Posted by AllSeeingEye (anonymous) on October 13, 2008 at 3:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LOL - Apparently CA didn't see my comment with the actual facts related to TheDude's claim before he posted. Now 9/11 is all Clinton's fault - I knew it wouldn't take long to hear that one - never mind that Bush got a briefing titled "Bin Laden determined to strike in US" a month before 9/11. The denial of the truth and one-sided thinking from you wingnuts is astounding. I'll admit that I focus a lot on the liberal point-of-view, but at least I don't ignore reality.

Posted by TheDude (Michael Wells) on October 13, 2008 at 4:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ASE, you couldn't handle the truth if it spit in your eye! You want facts, and that little bomb shell was pure fact ... and the thing about Clinton, it IS his fault! He had a chance to pull the trigger on Bin Laden and he backed down! They had the bulls eye on Bin Laden and Clinton backed down! Stang, Psych. 101, you made YOURSELF loathe Riley and Bush, they didn't make you. You are responsible for YOUR actions and feelings, not anyone else.

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on October 13, 2008 at 4:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ASE: In my opinion, which I readily admit is not worth the paper that this is not written on, your positions are well researched and your posts are very well written. I almost always get the feeling though, that if you come across some information that is not favorable to your candidate you will dismiss it as propaganda or just garbage coming from an unreliable source, no matter what it is. Unreliable, of course, being any source that might have any negative information about Obama. Any negative report is always dismissed out of hand as either racist, an outright lie or just coming from an untrustworthy source. There is no possible way that the report could be true because you have rearched it. This leaves me to think that maybe that AllSeeingEye of yours might have a serious case of tunnel vision. If Obama is really as near to perfect as you make him out to be, I think Jesus is about be out of a job.

It's good to believe in your man, I guess, but I get the distinct feeling that if Obama were caught on national television molesting a child, you would find some way to justify it or dismiss it as rightwing propaganda.

You are now free to chastise, berate, brow beat, or attempt to humiliate me at will.

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on October 13, 2008 at 5:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

IBEW: I like you buddy, but there's a lot of things more important than getting your, or my, toast buttered. We'll have to disagree as to who would do the better job, but this country is more important than either of us. I much prefer that the government leave me the hell alone and let me butter my own toast.

Posted by AllSeeingEye (anonymous) on October 13, 2008 at 5:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

From one argument to the next with you guys, I swear. Nobody is answering my questions or even trying to refute my arguments at all. When you're wrong, you attack. No wonder, sounds just like McCain.

TheDude - I have a question that I expect you to answer: How does the Democratic Congress get their agenda through when Bush vetoes their bills for partisan political reasons, while they don't have the veto-proof majority, and the Republicans block them by voting against every Democratic initiative? It is not the Dems fault if they can't get their agenda into law. You think the Dems did nothing, well it's no wonder thanks to Bush and his Republicans in Congress.

Also, stop ignoring the state of the country BEFORE Bush got into office.

Nov - I have questions for you too: Can you name one instance where I've been wrong about my opinion of Obama that can be backed up with facts? Please provide the sources for your facts.

Can you give me one instance where I've dismissed a negative report as "racist" or an "outright lie" or from an "untrustworthy source". This is simply not true unless you count the outrageous claims I've seen here that Obama is a "terrorist" or "baby killer" or "Muslim" and the like - of course I'll dismiss that crap as lies - they ARE lies, and some of them RACIST! I've backed up all my arguments with my opinion and the facts and not accusations as you claim. I've never said Obama is perfect, or even suggested such a thing. I get the feeling from your comment you're not even reading my posts...

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on October 13, 2008 at 5:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dang, I thought I would get taken to the woodshed much worse than that. I didn't even rate being called a wingnut.

If I hadn't read your posts, how would I know that they are well written and researched?

Sometimes it's fun to just wind you up and watch you go. The simple pleasures are the best.

Posted by AllSeeingEye (anonymous) on October 13, 2008 at 5:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You can accuse me of not seeing both points of view or having 'tunnel vision' all you want. I know who I am and I have tried to express my opinions here as clearly and honestly as possible. If you don't believe me, fine.

Even after voting Democratic for many elections, I don't consider myself a Democrat. I've always voted for the person and their positions on the issues rather than any party so I am an Independent. In this election, obviously I support Obama/Biden, but I actually think we need a multi-party system with as many fresh perspectives on government as possible. I think this will help end the divisiveness of the 'us against them' mentality that the two-party system promotes.

I hate to admit it now, but I first registered as a Republican because all I knew about the party was they are supposedly for less government intrusion in my life and fiscal responsibility. I quickly learned the error of my ways when their talk never matched their walk and they tried to impeach our president for a BJ. When Bush got elected - suspiciously - I really started paying close attention to politics. His Republican party has absolutely nothing in common with the Republican party I originally registered with. After 8 years, the results are pretty easy for even the most common person to see - that Bush has been a disaster. I am disgusted that Bush even pretends to be a Republican and McCain has been working lock-step with him all along. Palin is even MORE like Bush. We need REAL change. Obama is the obvious choice.

Nov - You may have read my posts, but are you reading the entire conversations I've been involved in here? If you're just trying to rile me up, it's working - so be warned. :P

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on October 13, 2008 at 6:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Believe it or not, I'm actually in agreement with some of what you just wrote. And we have something in common, we're both Independent. I just can't understand being tied to a political party, independents can do their own thinking.

I voted for Bush twice. I was VERY proud to have done it the first time, and much less so the second time. I do believe that the last three years of his term have been a disaster, almost a total disaster. I don't believe, though, that it was all his fault, though the buck will have to stop with him, nor do I believe it was all the democrats' fault. I do think that they (the democrats) have been so totally blinded by their hatred, yes hatred, for the president that they spent the last few years stumbling over themselves and looking like spoiled children that need a good spanking.

I'm a little like IBEW in that I sometimes get a kick out of ticking folks off. I figured you would be intellectually well above that. I'm surprised that I've been successful with you.

Posted by AllSeeingEye (anonymous) on October 13, 2008 at 6:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The :P means that last line was a joke.

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on October 13, 2008 at 6:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ASE: Sorry, I'm not quite as cyber savvy as I should be.

I have to admit that your views and mine are about as polar opposite as they could possibly be, but I am often impressed by how well thought out and written your posts are. I sat beside Bob Beckle on a Delta flight to California (I got upgraded to first class for some reason) back in the summer, and I argued with him all the way to Los Angeles. I have to say that his arguments were not as well put together as yours, or as coherent. Could have been the scotch, I'm not sure. I better let that do for the compliments, I might have to turn in my conservative credentials. :P

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on October 13, 2008 at 7:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well, as I've said several times, I'm not a republican. I refuse to be tied to any party and feel that I have to tow the party line. I am, however, a conservative. I have some views on certain issues, though, that would make most liberals and ALL conservatives' heads spin. I think that if the republicans got back to their core values, ie. smaller government and fiscal conservatism, we would all be better off. My opinion is that the wheels fell off their wagon when they started compromising their principles in an effort to get along with the opposite party. Now there's not a pair of family jewels in the bunch. However, the democrats are so far to the left that I can't even see them anymore. The republicans are wandering around just left of the political center like a five year old lost in a crowd, but they're still closer to what I believe in, but just barely, so I will vote republican. I'll vote republican nationally, that is, locally they make me want to vomit. I also get ill effects from most local democrats, too.

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on October 13, 2008 at 7:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Somehow Barney Frank gets a pass. I guess it's OK to mess around with comgressional page boys as long as you don't do it in an airport bathroom. Dang, that sounds just like you wrote that, IBEW!

Posted by TheDude (Michael Wells) on October 13, 2008 at 7:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ASE, I am tired and I don't expect I WILL answer you ... and of course you will accuse me of dodging the issue or "refuting your argument". ASE, every time we return fire about your comments, what do you think we are doing? When we are wrong, we attack? That does not make any sense. Your brain has been "Obamafried". You can't comprehend common sense.

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on October 13, 2008 at 8:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I guess Sen. John Edwards was the last democrat that I can remember getting caught up in a sexcapade.

When Barney boy got caught with his male prostitute running a call boy operation out of his (Franks')Washington house and he didn't even get censured by the House, I knew that I had seen the ultimate double standard. Later on, Mark Foley was forced to resign, rightfully, but ol' Barn keeps on keepin' on.

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on October 13, 2008 at 8:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Google Barney Frank and you can read all about it if you want to. It was back in the 90's, I think. The Daily Kos.com is a far left blog that some sure 'nough hard core space cadets write into. I have often wondered about ol' Dick, but I remember that he got caught with a female professional type a few years ago. I guess he could swing both ways, not that I care.

Posted by TheDude (Michael Wells) on October 13, 2008 at 9:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Stang, you just took your spoon back ...

Posted by ConcernedAmerican (anonymous) on October 14, 2008 at 6:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Barack Obama told a tax-burdened plumber over the weekend that his economic philosophy is to "spread the wealth around" -- a comment that may only draw fire from riled-up John McCain supporters who have taken to calling Obama a "socialist" at the Republican's rallies.

Obama made the remark, caught on camera, after fielding some tough questions from the plumber Sunday in Ohio, where the Democratic candidate canvassed neighborhoods and encouraged residents to vote early.

"Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn't it?" the plumber asked, complaining that he was being taxed "more and more for fulfilling the American dream."

"It's not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they've got a chance for success too," Obama responded. "My attitude is that if the economy's good for folks from the bottom up, it's gonna be good for everybody ... I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."

READ, READ, & RE-READ the above. He slipped and said what I knew all along. Socialism is what Obama stands for. I work too hard for what I get and I don't want him taking it and giving it to people that are too lazy to work.

Why can't we just have sales tax instead of income tax? To me, that would be fair. I'm tired of being taxed on top of tax.

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on October 14, 2008 at 8:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

ConcernedAmerican: You beat me to it. Obama finally said outright what I've been hearing him say in liberal/socialist code words for quite a while. Take from those who have earned good money and give it those who haven't. Screw Robin Hood! (Those are my words.) I'm so lazy that I saw the same story on CNN, of course it had a different slant to it. It doesn't matter who the plummer is voting for, what matters is Obama's plans for wealth re-distribution/socialism.

IBEW: Most of the things you said above, and some others, are why I'm not a religious type. For all the thumpers out there, I didn't say I'm not a Christian, just not religious. I never have cared for going and sitting down for an hour or two every week and listen to someone speak that makes his living telling other people how they should be living.

Posted by ConcernedAmerican (anonymous) on October 14, 2008 at 8:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

So what if a plumber's business makes over half a million dollars? Does that mean he should give half of what he makes to people that don't work? I think not. There is always a reason that whatever Obama says is ok. All you people do is call me names? Why? Can't have an normal conversation without name calling? I can't wait for the excuse ASE is going to come up with. It's my choice who I give charity to, not Obama's.

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on October 14, 2008 at 8:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

ConcernedAmerican: Exactly right. The government has for too long been in the business of rewarding mediocrity and laziness and punishing hard work and success. They've got it exactly backwards!

Posted by TheDude (Michael Wells) on October 14, 2008 at 8:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

RIGHT ON! .. RIGHT ON CA !!! Let 'em call you names! They do that when they know THEY are wrong! They can't stand it!

Posted by ConcernedAmerican (anonymous) on October 14, 2008 at 9:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

If you pay 33% taxes, then you need a CPA to give you tax advice. I really doubt that you make what you claim. Also, you claim you have the experience and education of a CEO, sounds like you chose which field you wanted to be in, why blame them?

Posted by TheDude (Michael Wells) on October 14, 2008 at 10:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

OOHHH! CA !! You're on a roll! I'm just gonna shut up and listen ...

Posted by ConcernedAmerican (anonymous) on October 14, 2008 at 11:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes, I can back up everything I say, but I don't give strangers my personal information. Why does it matter what you call socialism? It's still socialism. If people that get welfare are able to work, they should be forced to work, or they get nothing. If they need education, make it mandatory that they go to school and learn a trade or they get nothing. They should also be drug tested. Parents that get welfare should get reductions based on if their child has an attendance problem at school or if their children test positive for drugs. I bet they would clean up their act fast.

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on October 14, 2008 at 12:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Those are some pretty good ideas there CA. Unfortunately, the liberal mindset that has overtaken this country will never allow that, personal integrety and respsonsibility, I'm afraid, are relics of the past. Just like me.

IBEW: You sound like you would like for our tax system to be fair. So would I. The only fair tax system that I've ever heard of is "The Fair Tax" plan. That would benefit everybody. The next best plan is the "Flat Tax". Neither plan is likely to ever be implemented, though. These days it's much more in vogue to complain about the evil rich, Big Business, Big oil, big this, big that. BIG DEAL! People need to get over this wealth envy BS and get to work if they want to be successful. If not, they need to shut up.

Posted by AllSeeingEye (anonymous) on October 14, 2008 at 12:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ooooh scary... The evil socialists are gonna take over our country.... Come on, McCain voted for the bailout which is a socialist idea. He wants the government to buy up mortgages which is a socialist idea. Socialist has become the new "Commie" as an attack on liberals but I don't hear any of you complaining about McCain's socialist programs. He's not a true conservative, and you know it.

Not one of you can respond to my arguments, you just change the subject so I'm done posting in this thread. Go ahead and get in your rants and delusional opinions based on the latest talking points from Faux News, I'm tired of dealing with those who deny reality.

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on October 14, 2008 at 1:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I"m complaining about McCain's socialist ideas and programs! I know very well that he's not a true conservative, that's why I have only luke warm support for him. The "evil socialists are gonna take over our country." They sure are, and they're doing it with republican's help. Both partys are taking us there, I'm just hoping that the republicans will take the long route instead of the expressway, maybe that will buy us enough time to get things turned around, but I doubt it.

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on October 14, 2008 at 2 p.m. (Suggest removal)

IBEW: I'm going to try to research Obamas' stance on the Fair Tax plan. I can't imagine that he would be in favor of it though, it would do away with the idea of confiscating from those that have done well to give to those that haven't. I know, I know, he wants to give 95% of Americans a tax break. Did you hear that an alien spaceship was supposed to hover over Alabama today? (Really) I don't think McCain is in favor of it, either, for that matter.

Posted by ConcernedAmerican (anonymous) on October 14, 2008 at 2:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Steven-I never lied, so I'm not sure what you are talking about. I've never been in trouble with the law either. Can you say that much for yourself? Grow up. And just for the record, I don't like Nascar and I don't drive a pick-up.

Posted by TheDude (Michael Wells) on October 14, 2008 at 2:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

OOHHH!! Low blow ...

Take Me To Your Leader! Folks, there's some weird dude outside my door. Oh, and my cat is floating around the living room. Hey weird dude, I'll tell you where you can get a free Obama campaign sign if you leave me alone!

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on October 14, 2008 at 2:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Heard it on the radio this morning. Someone prdicted that an alien spaceship would hover over Alabama today. I don't know why aliens would want to do that but I heard it from a reliable source so it has to be true.

Posted by November162000 (anonymous) on October 14, 2008 at 3:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm all for animated discussions, I get that way myself, but we could probably dispense with the mean spirtedness, at least somewhat. I get a kick out of ticking people off, too, but I sometimes have to remind myself of my raising.

Posted by ConcernedAmerican (anonymous) on October 14, 2008 at 4:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

First of all, we haven't been over your record before because this is the first I'm seeing this. Secondly, did being a Republican make you commit a crime? Thirdly, I never said I was a businessman, I said I was a business owner. And lastly, I am not a sir. You must be getting me mixed up with someone else. Maybe you are the one that needs to do their homework because my attempt wasn't at shaming you, you did that for yourself. You can call me names all you want or say disgusting things, but you have to answer to God, not me. All I am doing is telling you things that I believe in. You act like I get my information from one source and that all your information is correct and mine isn't. When I prove it to you, you analyze it the way that benefits you.

Posted by ConcernedAmerican (anonymous) on October 15, 2008 at 7:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I accept your apology. I honestly did not see anything about you on this blog. I've only posted to this one and one other one. I wouldn't call it a short memory, because I never saw anything about that. If I did, I would tell you. I do watch Fox News, but I do get my news from more than one source. Evidently, you watch it also. There is nothing wrong with that. I am an adult and I can get information from any source and make up my own mind based on my values. Let's just agree to disagree.